Return-Path: Received: from [24.25.9.102] (HELO ms-smtp-03-eri0.southeast.rr.com) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.2b3) with ESMTP id 3220991 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Fri, 07 May 2004 23:12:59 -0400 Received: from EDWARD (clt25-78-058.carolina.rr.com [24.25.78.58]) by ms-smtp-03-eri0.southeast.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with SMTP id i483Cvs2022918 for ; Fri, 7 May 2004 23:12:58 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <003901c434aa$5f3fadf0$2402a8c0@EDWARD> From: "Ed Anderson" To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" References: Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: Intake manifold tuning Date: Fri, 7 May 2004 23:13:01 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine Great! Alex, Sounds like you are familiar with the theories (and complexities) that appear to be the most suitable ( in my opinion). I do have a somewhat complex model of the Helmholtz that I adapted for the rotary. I also have my own analysis and derivation of the equations and factors used by the Mazda engineers to implement their Dynamic Effect Intake Supercharging effect for the NA 13Bs. Rather than clutter up the list with stuff I have presented in the past, I'll send you a brief summary of my mathematical analysis and derivation of the equations off line. Its only a couple of pages long. The full derivation runs past 20 pages (only for those that really want to abuse themselves). In the mean time I will see where I misplace the Helmholtz Spreadsheet. Ed Ed Anderson RV-6A N494BW Rotary Powered Matthews, NC ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alex Madsen" To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" Sent: Friday, May 07, 2004 9:58 PM Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Intake manifold tuning > > I appreciate your concern. I am aware of the complexities of intake > design such as Finite Amplitude Waves and the Inertia. What I am looking > for is a starting point because all the lengths and diameters are > interrelated in their effect on tuning. > > I am specifically looking for the Helmholtz and Ohata model equations > that have been adapted for the rotary. If on one has them then I will > take the time to modify them from 4-stroke myself (I have the 4-stroke > equations). > > Alex Madsen > > >