Mailing List flyrotary@lancaironline.net Message #7461
From: Perry Mick <pjmick@mail.viclink.com>
Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: Performance Props
Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2004 17:45:14 -0800
To: Rotary motors in aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
> >>Perry, if you could share the formulae you're using I'd be happy to >>make a spreadsheet calculator for this. So far I've found very >>complex prop calculators but nothing straightforward.
>>
>>By the way, why are you asking desired cruise speed? 400 knots! =)
>>
>>Do your calculations focus on pitch/length or do they also provide >>some means of calculating dimensions at various stations from the >>hub, so forming templates can be made?
>>
>>Regards,
>>Chad
>>
> > It's not simple enough to put in a spreadsheet.
> I think Al Wick uses the Bates Prop program, I don't know anything about > that program and I don't know why he couldn't develop numbers for Bulent.
> The programs I use are all in the book "Modern Propeller and Duct
Design" by
> Martin Hollman. They are BASIC programs that I have improved on and now
run
> as visual basic macros. They have proven to be very good at predicting > reality.
> Data entry is actual blade parameters along the length of the blade, so
the
> process is "trial-and-error". Enter a blade design and examine the
output to
> see what the performance is. The Bates program might be the opposite,
enter
> performance numbers and it spits out a blade design (?).
> I want to know desired cruise speed and cruise RPM as a first estimate
for
> pitch. Actual cruise speed is limited by thrust produced and the drag of
the
> airplane, so equivalent flat plate area of the airplane is also a
desirable
> thing to know.
> > Perry
> Perry, would you like to share your algorithms.  I'll turn them into C code ('cause I like C), and put a genetic algorithm on the front end. I'm assuming you have X number of stations that you enter numbers for. Make each station a genetic marker, start with a couple strains and let them mate through a few thousand generations till you get something you really like.

--
Ernest:

I would recommend you purchase that book. They are not really my algorithms and I don't want to be accused of copyright infringement. The reason it can't easily be put in a spreadsheet is it is really numerical calculus and the program runs multiple loops (finite steps whereas in calculus the step size is taken to the limit of zero) to develop the performance of a complete blade.

Perry





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