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From: "Ed Anderson" <eanderson@carolina.rr.com>
To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
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Subject: Mistral WEb page
Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 21:06:57 -0400
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Try this one for Mistral.  www. mistral-engines.com

Ed
Ed Anderson
RV-6A N494BW Rotary Powered
Matthews, NC
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "kelseyjewett" <kelseyjewett@charter.net>
To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2004 8:09 PM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: 13B dynafocal mount - was dream time


> Marc
> 
> Do you have a link to the Mistral engine folks.
> 
> Kelsey --- who did not go to FIS
> 
> On Apr 19, 2004, at 5:41 PM, marc wrote:
> 
> > Mike,
> > Mistral Engines(who was at sun n fun) with their prototype info on the
> > 200hp rotary and cs gearbox have already done that. Ask them if they
> > will supply the rear (front on car) cover to you. It fits the 13B
> > housings. Won't be cheap tho.
> >
> > Marc Wiese
> >
> >
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net]
> > On
> >> Behalf Of Michael McGee
> >> Sent: Monday, April 19, 2004 6:50 PM
> >> To: Rotary motors in aircraft
> >> Subject: [FlyRotary] 13B dynafocal mount - was dream time
> >>
> >> At 08:39 2004-04-19, you wrote:
> >>
> >>>> the puzzle. It seem there is a lot of re inventing
> >>> the wheel. I
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> I was thinking that, too.  Then I realized that what
> >>> is going on is parallel developement.  Something you
> >>> will probably never see in a corporate lab.  Lots of
> >>> slightly different ideas being worked on at the same
> >>> time.
> >>>
> >>> What I see happening right now is that a lot of
> >>> these ideas that have been on the workbench for
> >>> years are coming out of developement and into long
> >>> term testing.  I think over the next year or so you
> >>> will start to see a lot more consensus on what works
> >>> best, as the different approaches get tested and
> >>> we're able to see what works best in the real world.
> >>>  Then you'll start to see people willing to bet the
> >>> farm on a business venture to create firewall
> >>> forward packages.
> >>
> >> Speaking of dreaming..
> >>
> >> What do you guys think of the viability of a front cover cast into the
> >> form
> >> of a standard Lycoming dynafocal-1 mount?
> >>
> >> A loose collection of my thoughts so far:
> >>
> >> I think it would sell well enough to get the price under $500 for the
> >> kit.  I was bs-ing with the local rotary engine builder the other day
> > and
> >> he showed me a very nice third-gen oil pan that was cast as a
> > torsionally
> >> stiff replacement for the stamped steel original.  The reason behind
> > the
> >> pan is another story but the casting work looked great (from this
> >> engineer/
> >> non-casting expert's perspective anyway).  He insists that he has a
> >> casting
> >> guy that is capable of making what we need if I can get him a proto
> > type
> >> part.
> >>
> >> The thought here is a Dynafocal mount would open up more of the market
> > to
> >> those who would convert to rotary engines (like I'm doing) if it
> > didn't
> >> require changing the motor mount.  I realize that we can make a decent
> >> mount without it and use something like the Schertz beam or the bell
> >> housing that the ACRE group is working on.  The Dyna-1 mount would be
> > an
> >> effort towards more of a standardization for aircraft use.
> >>
> >> I've been toying with this for the last couple of weeks and while it
> > needs
> >> some serious planning for water pump and alternator accommodations,
> > I've
> >> got a bit of it worked out.  As expected it isn't as easy as
> > originally
> >> thought.  Of course if it was it would already be done.  It would be
> >> supplied as a package with water pump system and alternator mount.
> >>
> >> This does require using a remote water pump like what Paul Lamar
> > created
> >> and which isn't a bad idea.  It gets the pump down lower for better
> >> performance.  If you use a 3rd gen water pump with its own remote pump
> >> housing it could be mounted co-axially with the crank and get rid of a
> >> water pump drive belt.  (3rd gen pumps run opposite direction to
> > earlier
> >> pumps)
> >>
> >> It also would require using the 3rd gen crank angle sensor plate and
> >> pickups.
> >>
> >> There are enough bolts on the front end plate to hold it
> >> together.  Additional reinforcements for the aerobatics crowd would be
> >> added at the oil pan-to-front cover flange and on the top from the EGR
> >> port
> >> on the center plate to the top of the motor mount/front cover.  This
> > would
> >> probably be standard for the 20Bs.
> >>
> >> -Could be that the sealing surfaces would be a problem as a structural
> >> interface?
> >> -It would put the prop flange about 2 inches forward of the Lycoming
> >> installation.  However that would put the 13B c.g. about the same as
> > the
> >> Lyc.
> >>
> >> As an RV-4 owner the thought of a motor mount as compact as the
> > dynafocal
> >> mount is appealing.  Yes, I know it has been done on an RV-4
> >> otherwise.  I'm just looking at future possibilities and.. gee..
> > ANOTHER
> >> project.
> >>
> >> Okay, enough for now, you guys shoot holes in this for me....
> >>
> >>
> >> Mike McGee, RV-4 N996RV, O320-E2G, Hillsboro, OR,
> > jmpcrftr-at-teleport.com
> >> 13B in gestation mode, RD-1C, EC-2.
> >> ..need to quit thinking and get some building done...
> >>
> >>
> >>
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> >
> >
> >
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