Return-Path: Received: from [24.25.9.102] (HELO ms-smtp-03-eri0.southeast.rr.com) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.2b1) with ESMTP id 3138807 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Wed, 31 Mar 2004 12:50:51 -0500 Received: from edward (clt25-78-058.carolina.rr.com [24.25.78.58]) by ms-smtp-03-eri0.southeast.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with SMTP id i2VHols2024473 for ; Wed, 31 Mar 2004 12:50:49 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <000801c41748$b3e48a80$2402a8c0@edward> From: "Ed Anderson" To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" References: Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: One more question : EC2 operation Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 12:50:49 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0005_01C4171E.CAB65060" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C4171E.CAB65060 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: [FlyRotary] One more question (Tracy, see comments inred) Good explanation and I agree with everything except the part about = RPM not being used by the EC2. Engine speed is a primary input to the = system, hence the term "speed - density system". =20 Ok, if I understand you correctly, Tracy, then RPM IS a = computational variable in determining fuel injector pulse duration and = not just the "frequency of injection" factor. Is RPM an adjustment for = "Volumetric Efficiency" at different rpms or used for a different = purpose?? Ed Guess a little more detail is needed to explain this. The EC2 = re-computes the injection requirements in real time. Just before the = intake cycle starts, it computes the required fuel for this individual = intake cycle. You can't get any more closely tied to RPM than this. The volumetric efficiency is very much affected by the design of = the intake system. Since there are no two alike out there (at this = time), it is not possible to take VE into consideration as a function of = RPM. Detroit has it much easier in this respect because they can = control every detail of the engine. Tracy Ok, one more time for us slow folks. I understand that the EC2 = calculations some "adjustment" to the fuel requirement for each intake = cycle. Since the intake cycle is certainly tied to rpm in so far that = the rpm determines the number of intake events per unit time. I think I = follow that each intake cycle can be different as far as fuel = requirement. I had assumed that the fuel injection adjusment is = primarily based on the manifold pressure it senses. In otherwords, if = the Ec2 senses 17" Hg manifold pressure at a specific intake manfiold = air temp it calculates X milleseconds of injection time. I had assumed = that this amount of injection time would be the same whether 17" at 3000 = rpm or 17" at 5000 rpm but that since the injector fires more times/sec = at 5000 rpm than 3000 rpm there would be more fuel injected. In = otherwords, I had assumed that since the EC2 does its calculation for = each cycle, it didn't know(orcare) whether the cydle was happening at = 3000 rpm or 5000 rpm only what the manifold pressure was at each rpm. Since my assumption is apparently incorrect, then over a beer, you = need to explain it to me one more time how the RPM is a factor in the = computation of fuel injection time. I strongly suspected that Ve wasn't really a factor for the = reasons you stated, too bad {:>) Ed Anderson ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C4171E.CAB65060 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 
Subject: [FlyRotary] One more = question=20 (Tracy, see comments inred)
 
 
 

Good explanation and I agree with everything except the part = about=20 RPM not being used by the EC2.  Engine speed is a primary = input to=20 the system, hence the term "speed - density system".   =
 
Ok, if I understand you = correctly,=20 Tracy,  then RPM IS a  computational variable in=20 determining fuel injector pulse duration and not just the = "frequency of=20 injection" factor.  Is RPM an adjustment for "Volumetric = Efficiency" at different rpms or used for a different=20 purpose??
 
Ed
 
Guess a little more detail is needed to explain this.  = The EC2=20 re-computes the injection requirements in real = time.  Just=20 before the intake cycle starts, it computes the required fuel for=20 this individual intake cycle.  You can't get any more = closely=20 tied to RPM than this.
 
The volumetric efficiency is very = much affected by the=20 design of the intake system.  Since there are no two alike = out there=20 (at this time), it is not possible to take VE into = consideration as a=20 function of RPM.  Detroit has it much easier in this respect = because=20 they can control every detail of the engine.
 
Tracy
 
Ok, one more time for us = slow=20 folks.  I understand that the EC2 calculations some = "adjustment" to=20 the fuel requirement for each intake cycle. Since the intake cycle = is=20 certainly tied to rpm in so far that the rpm determines the number = of=20 intake events per unit time.  I think I follow  that = each intake=20 cycle can be different as far as fuel requirement.   I = had=20  assumed that the fuel injection adjusment is primarily based = on the=20 manifold pressure it senses.  In otherwords, if the Ec2 = senses 17" Hg=20 manifold pressure at a specific intake manfiold air temp it=20 calculates X milleseconds of injection time.  I had assumed = that this=20 amount of injection time would be the same whether 17" = at 3000=20 rpm or 17" at 5000 rpm but that since the injector fires more = times/sec at=20 5000 rpm than 3000 rpm there would be more fuel injected.  =  In=20 otherwords, I had assumed that since the EC2 does its calculation = for each=20 cycle, it didn't know(orcare) whether the cydle was happening at = 3000 rpm=20 or 5000 rpm only what the manifold pressure was at each = rpm.
 
Since my assumption is = apparently=20 incorrect, then over a beer, you need to explain it to me one more = time=20 how the RPM is a factor in the computation of fuel injection=20 time.
 
I strongly suspected that = Ve wasn't=20 really a factor for the reasons you stated, too bad = {:>)
 
Ed=20 = Anderson
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