Mailing List flyrotary@lancaironline.net Message #6905
From: Ed Anderson <eanderson@carolina.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: No rev-2 flying yet (Tracy, see comments in red)
Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 11:51:19 -0500
To: Rotary motors in aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
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Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2004 10:51 AM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: No rev-2 flying yet (Tracy, see comments in red)

Rusty, that is exactly what I am experiencing.  Always runs great above 2000, can sometimes get it to behave down to 900 RPM and a MAP of about 11, especially if I go slowly.   But usually it gets stuck in that too-rich-to-run-well-but-can’t-tolerate-sudden-leaning-without-stopping realm.

 

 

The other issue is when you chop the throttle from a high setting, to idle.  This is very strange.  Say the idle is set at 1900 rpm, and I’m running at high throttle.  When I chop the throttle, the rpm goes low, to around 1600 and stays there.  During this time, the MP is 16.0, and the engine is very rough.  It will stay here forever, but if you turn the mixture knob about 90 degrees CCW to lean it out, it smoothes out, the rpm increases to 1900, and the MP drops to 13.0.  If you are at a higher throttle setting, and decrease throttle more slowly, it will come down to 1900 rpm, 13 MP, and smooth.  It also seems like the engine is jumping back and forth between the dual map ranges, and I believe this false 16" MP reading at the rough, low idle is from the dual map.  I think I even proved that to myself by watching the EM-2 screen that shows EC-2 readings.   I’ve got some work to do on this one, but it's just a tuning issue. 

 

Just to chime in, "Me Too!".  I have noticed the same sort of phenomena. 

 

My guess is that it  appears that when closing the throttle very rapidly, you probably end up with an overly  rich intake manifold air/fuel mixture.  This may occur because in one fraction of a second you are  opearting at WOT (lots of fuel flow)  and the next down to idle.  So the rpm drops down in to the LOW, LOW range due to the rapid decrease in manifold pressure caused by the rapid throttle closure and still rapidly pumping rotors.  So its down in the low rpm range with a rich mixture and then since the rpm is so low,  the manifold pressure may well creeep back up to the 16-17" Hg range simple because there is  not enough rpm to keep the manifold pressure lower.  So now the system is seeing   higher manifold pressure.  Since the system only really uses the manifold pressure (and not rpm) in its calculation, the higher manifold pressure convinces itself that  you have opened the throttle a bit (while you actually have not) and so it dumps in a bit more fuel. This keeps the mixture overly rich as there is really not as much air coming into the system.  Once you crack the throttle a bit, more air flow leans out the mixture, rpm increases, manifold pressure actually decrease back to 14-15" Hg and the system stabilizes.

 

  Recall this is a pressure density system and not an Airflow system, so it only knows (or cares) about  the manifold pressure (and in the case of the A controller, your inlet air temp) and knows nothing about your throttle setting or airflow or even rpm except as inferred by manifold pressure.  Rpm is "automatically" taken care of by the fact the faster the rpm the more often the injectors are triggered per unit time, but rpm is not a direct computational factor in determining fuel, only manifold pressure (and air temp in case of controller A)

 

My 0.02

 

Ed Anderson.

 

 

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