Return-Path: <13brv3@bellsouth.net> Received: from imf25aec.mail.bellsouth.net ([205.152.59.73] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.2b1) with ESMTP id 3133475 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Mon, 29 Mar 2004 09:05:56 -0500 Received: from rad ([65.0.151.4]) by imf25aec.mail.bellsouth.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.08 201-253-122-130-108-20031117) with ESMTP id <20040329140556.QLPJ1763.imf25aec.mail.bellsouth.net@rad> for ; Mon, 29 Mar 2004 09:05:56 -0500 From: "Russell Duffy" <13brv3@bellsouth.net> To: "'Rotary motors in aircraft'" Subject: RE: [FlyRotary] Re: Renesis & RD-1Cdrivetesting Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2004 08:07:59 -0600 Message-ID: <000001c41597$3e362f80$6001a8c0@rad> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0001_01C41564.F39BBF80" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C41564.F39BBF80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Do you have an oil/air separator returning oil to the sump? If not, = I suspect the "oil usage" you are seeing may just be oil lost in the = blowby. In my early days with plugs up (before I built a new sump), I would get foaming oil out the dip stick when I exceeded 5000 rpm so I built an = air/oil separator. Later I discovered that with the new sump keeping the oil = level in the block next to zero eliminated the foaming. However, I can = imagine that at 7000 rpm the oil mist and foaming as the cooling oil pours (or = is slung) from the rotors probably suspends a lot of oil in the air which = could get blow out. =20 FWIW =20 Ed=20 =20 =20 This is interesting. When I was flying the rev-1 version, I started = with just a small on the dipstick vent. This was just one of those old PVC = air filters that I picked up at an auto parts place. You could see that it = got misted with oil, and accumulated a few drops in the bottom, but that was about it. Eventually, I got around to installing a vent line that ran = down to the exit of the cowl, which worked fine for a while. =20 =20 After one particular flight, I noticed that the belly was coated with = oil, all the way back to the tailwheel. I thought it was due to the fact = that I ran the engine harder than usual, and did a little more maneuvering on = that flight, and I'm sure those things were a factor. The real culprit = seemed to be the placement of the vent tube exit. I had changed something prior = to the oily flight, and had to reposition the vent line. It's new position seemed to be in a location that must have caused a suction on the tube, which helped the oil escape. =20 =20 Next, I used a normal size line from the dipstick vent, which is = inserted in a larger diameter clear hose. This is a very loose fit, to allow air to vent between the tubes. The bottom of the clear tube has a valve, which stays closed in flight. This allows me to capture, and monitor the oil loss. I kept this arrangement in the rev-2 configuration, primarily to = keep from dumping oil on the hot muffler. =20 =20 I have suspected that running the oil level on the high side was also = part of the cause in loosing oil from the vent. That's one of the reasons I = wish I had extended my oil pickup tube to make up for the engine mount plate. Hey Fred, there's another product you can sell. It would be easy to = make a spacer to lower the oil pickup, and supply it with longer bolts. =20 =20 Cheers, Rusty (company van being picked up by the fleet dept today) ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C41564.F39BBF80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message
    Do you have an oil/air = separator=20 returning oil to the sump?  If not, I suspect the "oil usage" you = are=20 seeing may just be oil lost in the blowby.  In my early days with = plugs up=20 (before I built a new sump), I would get foaming oil out the dip stick = when I=20 exceeded 5000 rpm so I built an air/oil separator.  Later I = discovered that=20 with the new sump keeping the oil level in the block next to zero = eliminated the=20 foaming.  However, I can imagine that at 7000 rpm the oil mist and = foaming=20 as the cooling oil pours (or is slung) from the rotors probably suspends = a lot=20 of oil in the air which could get blow out.
 
FWIW
 
Ed
 
 
This=20 is interesting.  When I was flying the rev-1 version, I started = with just a=20 small on the dipstick vent.  This was just one of those old PVC air = filters=20 that I picked up at an auto parts place.  You could see that it got = misted=20 with oil, and accumulated a few drops in the bottom, but that was about=20 it.  Eventually, I got around to installing a vent line that ran = down to=20 the exit of the cowl, which worked fine for a while.  =
 
After=20 one particular flight, I noticed that the belly was coated with = oil, all=20 the way back to the tailwheel.  I thought it was due to the = fact that=20 I ran the engine harder than usual, and did a little more maneuvering on = that=20 flight, and I'm sure those things were a factor.  The real culprit = seemed=20 to be the placement of the vent tube exit.  I had changed = something=20 prior to the oily flight, and had to reposition the vent line.  = It's new=20 position seemed to be in a location that must have caused a suction = on the=20 tube, which helped the oil escape. 
 
Next,=20 I used a normal size line from the dipstick vent, which is inserted in a = larger=20 diameter clear hose.  This is a very loose fit, to allow air to = vent=20 between the tubes.  The bottom of the clear tube has a valve, which = stays=20 closed in flight.  This allows me to capture, and monitor the = oil=20 loss.  I kept this arrangement in the rev-2 configuration, = primarily to=20 keep from dumping oil on the hot = muffler.   
 
I have=20 suspected that running the oil level on the high side was also part of = the cause=20 in loosing oil from the vent.  That's one of the reasons I = wish I had=20 extended my oil pickup tube to make up for the engine mount = plate. =20  Hey Fred, = there's another=20 product you can sell.  It would be easy to make a spacer to lower = the oil=20 pickup, and supply it with longer bolts. 
 
Cheers,
Rusty=20 (company van being picked up by the fleet dept=20 today)
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