X-Junk-Score: 0 [] X-KAS-Score: 0 [] From: "Andrew Martin andrew@martinag.com.au" Received: from pmg.Logan.com ([207.170.160.161] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.4.0) with ESMTPS id 3995875 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Fri, 09 May 2025 20:47:36 -0400 Received: from pmg.Logan.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pmg.Logan.com (Proxmox) with ESMTP id BF05C1E221 for ; Fri, 9 May 2025 20:47:34 -0400 (EDT) Received-SPF: none (martinag.com.au: No applicable sender policy available) receiver=pmg.Logan.com; identity=mailfrom; envelope-from="andrew@martinag.com.au"; helo=mail-il1-f176.google.com; client-ip=209.85.166.176 Received: from mail-il1-f176.google.com (mail-il1-f176.google.com [209.85.166.176]) by pmg.Logan.com (Proxmox) with ESMTPS for ; Fri, 9 May 2025 20:47:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail-il1-f176.google.com with SMTP id e9e14a558f8ab-3d9327d0720so23216175ab.3 for ; Fri, 09 May 2025 17:47:34 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=martinag-com-au.20230601.gappssmtp.com; s=20230601; t=1746838047; x=1747442847; darn=lancaironline.net; h=to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references:mime-version :from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=MnuQPhSR+vNo86H9souPCho6tgXm7bCXnV4VT4vimFI=; b=uoocNf4fKGqtQOh202/Mg34Sw51YJ3oCJkaedhIPKPpBdjVq2xGR20HkojqZLPohTB puOWbaIi102M64VFqyNMVQnpffdWQWecpQxeFzBsXd1wEoyd88Cs8UQVPfbj8UUQ83Ay bAGHmflf4vIdtdxjLYbPgAttjcQPRS3M6Z/BrGcTN4or3QwaX3s9VKnV8v3pcQ0QFxth Y64trKZ+jXNjQhj0T/giRDoyqr5e4dRvPdDZmrZRjYcpkt0B+oaHvTOYsxcKsbjCdcqs F5lpNducof0zp32pHy2iox/hMtKKaaKOpu8P6mbHloPvxWs/QrINFrL9QvoanJO/c1fJ X3Pg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20230601; t=1746838047; x=1747442847; h=to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references:mime-version :x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=MnuQPhSR+vNo86H9souPCho6tgXm7bCXnV4VT4vimFI=; b=sRb7hjrj0lb4lEl4DXDX9woFAU0QcCAxTo2RZiYV1DuEECav/qIoDhRxy8xRJVfcBv 8lArnH6TCR1VxE7fCel2+uHkKekdunofighlf+f2YpuH7wxzEJGvJ06YQfPcGKd0STI6 w0S72aDkJ46zM5KW3tfevKPOfRvq7E4AdsQtDAgc79ZDtA0xOo7SsXSGBo3AwjiUYm+h LD9yxOaYIOeNLxExqmdgGROiPf1MK269ReXUXHR9cQzr50L5bJwl7OnebvEBVQ8+ZJ3b 5X7PdpRs3WxL8e/iUXDfLEhkkzVSFVDtVYsKBprLHcjrowPVRnqKNWparXMN9Ljmzx03 m4TQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AOJu0YygNPCtf33WqLZNagNjB6tezdDJr7n/t9DHopTdEpFjMXJ9CpJc MQKkCnUEBYIoeXNBLdzMXg2lOWtXPl9eiMDUa3QnykhPoYaCMAUfKKNR8WByOCRMNGARv++JxlO ss2Sk7SoqJvi5GfXRO9jHzY10ycI9LledSWayVV1UTm5ZWsU= X-Gm-Gg: ASbGnctSXUBlzZBUW8lRr/esVihJF134HxnrD5jWx/1ektn+sIla17Mtz5Hh289YZjJ Pf6mgcTleSBjW1LTIwTN3AK0/fEiKn9Ak6Cl8xYPfAYp75ZVuc6aRsj/aP8pSsOUGcNnHSN43oW px4I8ZOrFyXMPIwbCNl27/xchD0pXjzA== X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGHT+IFk1OtuhZ1AMth8nTiUXq9lMWW6A5dZy8GLgcKEpDeVhus3iiH8hGOL6EtEOJDLIJ9R4YKBJOcNRF6cS/HBLCw= X-Received: by 2002:a05:6102:3e18:b0:4c5:8b12:cd74 with SMTP id ada2fe7eead31-4deed3254b1mr5974049137.2.1746836545491; Fri, 09 May 2025 17:22:25 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: Date: Sat, 10 May 2025 08:22:14 +0800 X-Gm-Features: AX0GCFvTm9AXem7vRgZASR1QyuCEnJNOBLIOYQTHwc6teIS6biw5Y_LU3hxSV0A Message-ID: Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Dead Stick Landings? To: Rotary motors in aircraft Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000c669260634bd1307" X-SPAM-LEVEL: Spam detection results: 0 AWL 0.425 Adjusted score from AWL reputation of From: address BAYES_00 -1.9 Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% DKIM_SIGNED 0.1 Message has a DKIM or DK signature, not necessarily valid DKIM_VALID -0.1 Message has at least one valid DKIM or DK signature DMARC_MISSING 0.1 Missing DMARC policy HTML_MESSAGE 0.001 HTML included in message RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2 0.001 Average reputation (+2) SPF_HELO_NONE 0.001 SPF: HELO does not publish an SPF Record SPF_NONE 0.001 SPF: sender does not publish an SPF Record --000000000000c669260634bd1307 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Not deadstick, Mine was 200' on first ever takeoff. Loss of coolant, clamp failure. Engine continued fine for low level turn back for landing (seemed best option at time & I was lucky, think I'm a bit older/wiser now. ) with no fwd visibility. I dont really plan for dead-stick as from this incident I know instinct then training kicks in. If the prop is stopped gravity wins. Its up to you to keep flying right to the end. Andrew On Fri, 9 May 2025, 8:36=E2=80=AFpm Doug Lomheim rv9flyer13b@gmail.com, < flyrotary@lancaironline.net> wrote: > I=E2=80=99m curious from any still on the list who have experienced a =E2= =80=9Cdead stick=E2=80=9D > landing situation, if the propellor stopped spinning or not when the engi= ne > failed? > > I also wonder if an engine has waning compression, if it would be more > likely to free wheel in an engine out situation? > > thanks. > > > Doug > --000000000000c669260634bd1307 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Not deadstick, Mine was 200' on fir= st ever takeoff. Loss of coolant, clamp failure. Engine continued fine for = low level turn back for landing (seemed best option at time & I was luc= ky, think I'm a bit older/wiser now. ) with no fwd visibility.=C2=A0

I=C2=A0 dont really plan for dead-stick as from thi= s incident I know instinct then training kicks in. If the prop is stopped g= ravity wins. Its up to you to keep flying right to the end.=C2=A0

Andrew

On Fri, 9 May 2025, 8= :36=E2=80=AFpm Doug Lomheim rv9fly= er13b@gmail.com, <fly= rotary@lancaironline.net> wrote:
I=E2=80=99m curious from any still on the list who have=C2=A0ex= perienced a=C2=A0=E2=80=9Cdead stick=E2=80=9D landing situation, if the pro= pellor stopped spinning or not=C2=A0when the engine failed? =C2=A0
I also wonder if= an engine has waning compression, if it would be more likely to free wheel= in an engine out situation?

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thanks. =C2=A0


Doug=C2=A0
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