X-Junk-Score: 0 [] X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 [] X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=2.3 cv=T4/ysMCQ c=1 sm=1 tr=0 a=n/Xlg0yIsnPJIPUS4JxKEw==:117 a=jpOVt7BSZ2e4Z31A5e1TngXxSK0=:19 a=x7bEGLp0ZPQA:10 a=BaKdtXMH_38A:10 a=FmdZ9Uzk2mMA:10 a=pGLkceISAAAA:8 a=Ia-xEzejAAAA:8 a=3oc9M9_CAAAA:8 a=UKPAHat8AAAA:8 a=7g1VtSJxAAAA:8 a=MnG5SOJEPAB_hDRnY6sA:9 a=7Zwj6sZBwVKJAoWSPKxL6X1jA+E=:19 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=Qa1je4BO31QA:10 a=gvSQh4r-fQ0A:10 a=Bbzy9YeBUyRklzJ6tOUA:9 a=uB36vABcCpBWlFzK:21 a=Urk15JJjZg1Xo0ryW_k8:22 a=Fc6xXSS-RxGHxrvp76Qp:22 a=grOzbf7U_OpcSX4AJOnl:22 From: "William Schertz wschertz343@gmail.com" Received: from mail-io1-f47.google.com ([209.85.166.47] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.2.13) with ESMTPS id 12870419 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Wed, 21 Aug 2019 13:26:26 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=209.85.166.47; envelope-from=wschertz343@gmail.com Received: by mail-io1-f47.google.com with SMTP id p12so6189905iog.5 for ; Wed, 21 Aug 2019 10:26:27 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=Ee24SQ37BCdjcMRcTKPc5S18KkR5t0Y4jG4uhtZ+KpQ=; b=q8m9PJGE1EwApN3K272AZPAWbrWv/gFX3IzsI09RszZSdR0qAmDFp3NXhjFanHFAwf nXeO1ql9M+rQ+uAzSOXQWdV88ibm2x+n6y1Wq+rKTLyjEgdUwro8po7n+caYwSBoz3+w X2cki8LZ/83Nz8vHWqHfPM75dvHgR8v5IfEEztmDUnzlfp/2uB2ScLuM9OLu4Uz3P02h pkgrxzSbCmC/96fk+s0NqYby9ITzmDi7OvQJYU5OykT0ZJKDxZdTSMIwNO4JQXDti6Dt adqKFgN2BxGOebNrX4RaYYbeXrx+lY8T+49ypjuGJf72rDoQA4xN48YCGC/zlK74fa2g WeLg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=Ee24SQ37BCdjcMRcTKPc5S18KkR5t0Y4jG4uhtZ+KpQ=; b=kFsD90b1i4vRb2frEKrHFOBmog4aQ4xLCTaCx1rohT24hKLANd52ij8dz5fg8qQTim v0RvKujq+wa0JM9/nkuVyruV43qAkw6l5St4U24W7rAaCBAUgagAM7toPWqqj4GdqB9C eltlemdFKTcsnz0s/ZksDtD1myPHmQM2iU+93z2CqCOvB4faMpMS2N46IfYxA+QYTli7 8hbwnCvKjmBnJQmwmB9VpncTSetTbyXZ/QYhI4+ErJxCS63DGK9qdhd+IF52zAbsqeR9 I0BI7gIxEidM8RPhTgy6/XJCknPQPuCRn297LbCcJolH0GuSlB9tBHtvZC0WfeHzHF2R 3k+g== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAUhsW7/OqAOMDJ+TSDOjxEDokKzGH5Zwitce/pu7iROnbVutV5G Ea4pKs2RJ0htd0U5DkUMyNvomERIXBEMZDo9GE8g0g== X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqzATlQz/rOm8R7aWPMCY5GAD5t6xkl3O/r2Jrf3qCx0mY5QiWdeG0/Cz4VAWL/iGAlDgNdgUpHIihIOpej/zpM= X-Received: by 2002:a5e:9244:: with SMTP id z4mr5116549iop.127.1566408369399; Wed, 21 Aug 2019 10:26:09 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2019 11:25:50 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: EC3 Coil Diagnostics To: Rotary motors in aircraft Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0000000000006e6afb0590a3de7e" --0000000000006e6afb0590a3de7e Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable When my plane was sold, the purchaser had the engine rebuilt and reinstalled in the plane. In the process of removal, the ground from the coils to the engine (direct) was cut, and then when the engine was returned from the builder, the stub wire on the oil-pan was no longer there, the result was that spark testing from the EC-2 did not work, no spark. After considerable diagnostics, we determined that the coil ground was missing, when put back in place, the unit worked as it should. On Tue, Aug 20, 2019 at 10:56 PM Stephen Izett stephen.izett@gmail.com < flyrotary@lancaironline.net> wrote: > Thanks Rich. Helpful should it come to that. > Just dont understand why the diagnostic which turns all coils on at 3000 > rpm is not working. > I=E2=80=99ll have another go at it tomorrow. > > Cheers > > Steve > > > On 21 Aug 2019, at 10:18 am, A R Goldman argoldman@aol.com < > flyrotary@lancaironline.net> wrote: > > > > Of course there is a simple way of testing for a small cost with no > damage potential and that is to use an inductive automotive timing light. > You just clip it around a high tension line with the plug screwed and > torqued I place , crank the engine and watch the flash or lack thereof. > > > > Rich > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > >> On Aug 20, 2019, at 7:32 PM, Stephen Izett stephen.izett@gmail.com < > flyrotary@lancaironline.net> wrote: > >> > >> Ah. Sorry Bobby, Yes realise now it was Bill who asked the question re > coil ground. > >> Thanks Bobby. > >> > >> Steve > >> > >>> On 21 Aug 2019, at 8:26 am, Bobby J. Hughes bhughes@qnsi.net < > flyrotary@lancaironline.net> wrote: > >>> > >>> Steve, > >>> > >>> Was this question for Bill Schertz? > >>> > >>> Bobby > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> Sent from my iPad > >>> > >>>> On Aug 20, 2019, at 6:28 PM, Stephen Izett stephen.izett@gmail.com < > flyrotary@lancaironline.net> wrote: > >>>> > >>>> Why is that Bobby? > >>>> I=E2=80=99m trying to remember how I routed the negative to the coil= s. I know > the suppressor capacitors go direct to gearbox plate. > >>>> Steve > >>>> > >>>>> On 21 Aug 2019, at 2:22 am, William Schertz wschertz343@gmail.com < > flyrotary@lancaironline.net> wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>> Check that the Coils are grounded TO THE ENGINE (DIRECT) > >>>>> > >>>>> On Mon, Aug 19, 2019 at 8:27 AM Bobby J. Hughes bhughes@qnsi.net < > flyrotary@lancaironline.net> wrote: > >>>>> It happened during initial ground runs and troubleshooting. This is > >>>>> being made public knowledge for a friend:) > >>>>> > >>>>> Bobby > >>>>> > >>>>> -----Original Message----- > >>>>> From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net= ] > > >>>>> Sent: Monday, August 19, 2019 9:07 AM > >>>>> To: Rotary motors in aircraft > >>>>> Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: EC3 Coil Diagnostics > >>>>> > >>>>> Booby are you postulating what might happen, or did this actually > happen > >>>>> to you? - The HT fried the processors! > >>>>> > >>>>> Steve > >>>>> > >>>>>> On 19 Aug 2019, at 9:42 pm, Bobby J. Hughes bhughes@qnsi.net > >>>>> wrote: > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Just make sure to position / secure the plugs so than cannot fall > off > >>>>> the engine and into the wiring harness during the test. It does n= ot > >>>>> end well for the controller. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Bobby > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> -----Original Message----- > >>>>>> From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.ne= t] > > >>>>>> Sent: Monday, August 19, 2019 8:21 AM > >>>>>> To: Rotary motors in aircraft > >>>>>> Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: EC3 Coil Diagnostics > >>>>>> > >>>>>> This is what the manual says: > >>>>>> "Remove all the spark plugs from the engine (or connect the plug > wires > >>>>> > >>>>>> to spare plugs) and lay them on the engine where you can see the > spark > >>>>> > >>>>>> gaps. Make sure the body of the plug is in contact with something > >>>>>> grounded to the engine. Now put the Mode switch in Mode 8 and pres= s > >>>>> the > >>>>>> Store switch. This puts the EC3 in ignition diagnostic mode and > fires > >>>>>> all the coils as if the engine were running at about 3000 RPM. You > >>>>>> should see all plugs firing. To end this diagnostic mode, change > the > >>>>>> Mode switch selection or cycle the power off on the EC3." > >>>>>> (EC3-A8 13B ENGINE CONTROLLER 07-30-13 INSTALLATION AND PROGRAMMIN= G > >>>>>> GUIDE 2008 series) > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Sure you've got +12V power to the coils? > >>>>>> Are the coils properly grounded? > >>>>>> Coils wired correctly to EM3? > >>>>>> Note the different coil pin-outs from brand to brand. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> If yes, I guess you'll have to inspect the program code. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Finn > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> On 8/19/2019 8:46 AM, Stephen Izett stephen.izett@gmail.com wrote= : > >>>>>>> Hi Guys > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> For those of you with EC3???s. > >>>>>>> I wanted to check all coils were firing yesterday so plugged the > >>>>> leads into plugs laying on the top of the engine. > >>>>>>> I tried to enter the coil diagnostic with Mode 8 and pressing > Store. > >>>>> I got nothing. > >>>>>>> So I checked the injector diagnostic Mode 1 Cold Start plus Store > and > >>>>> the injectors all lit up. > >>>>>>> Am I missing/forgetting/Misreading the manual or something else? > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Cheers > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Steve Izett > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> -- > >>>>>>> Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ > >>>>>>> Archive and UnSub: > >>>>> http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/flyrotary/List.html > >>>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> -- > >>>>>> Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ > >>>>>> Archive and UnSub: > >>>>> http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/flyrotary/List.html > >>>>>> > >>>>>> -- > >>>>>> Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ > >>>>>> Archive and UnSub: > >>>>> http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/flyrotary/List.html > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> -- > >>>>> Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ > >>>>> Archive and UnSub: > >>>>> http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/flyrotary/List.html > >>>>> > >>>>> -- > >>>>> Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ > >>>>> Archive and UnSub: > http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/flyrotary/List.html > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> -- > >>>> Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ > >>>> Archive and UnSub: > http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/flyrotary/List.html > >>> > >>> -- > >>> Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ > >>> Archive and UnSub: > http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/flyrotary/List.html > >> > >> > >> -- > >> Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ > >> Archive and UnSub: > http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/flyrotary/List.html > > > > > > -- > > Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ > > Archive and UnSub: > http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/flyrotary/List.html > > > -- > Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ > Archive and UnSub: > http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/flyrotary/List.html > --0000000000006e6afb0590a3de7e Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
When my plane was sold, the purchaser had the engine rebui= lt and reinstalled in the plane. In the process of removal, the ground from= the coils to the engine (direct) was cut, and then when the engine was ret= urned from the builder, the stub wire on the oil-pan was no longer there, t= he result was that spark testing from the EC-2 did not work, no spark. Afte= r considerable diagnostics, we determined that the coil ground was missing,= when put back in place, the unit worked as it should.

On Tue, Aug 20, 2019= at 10:56 PM Stephen Izett steph= en.izett@gmail.com <f= lyrotary@lancaironline.net> wrote:
Thanks Rich. Helpful should it come to that.
Just dont understand why the diagnostic which turns all coils on at 3000 rp= m is not working.
I=E2=80=99ll have another go at it tomorrow.

Cheers

Steve

> On 21 Aug 2019, at 10:18 am, A R Goldman argoldman@aol.com <flyrotary@lancaironline.net&g= t; wrote:
>
> Of course there is a simple way of testing for a small cost with no da= mage potential and that is to use an inductive automotive timing light. You= just clip it around a high tension line with the plug screwed and torqued = I place , crank the engine and watch the flash or lack thereof.
>
> Rich
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Aug 20, 2019, at 7:32 PM, Stephen Izett stephen.izett@gmail.com <flyrotary@lanca= ironline.net> wrote:
>>
>> Ah. Sorry Bobby, Yes realise now it was Bill who asked the questio= n re coil ground.
>> Thanks Bobby.
>>
>> Steve
>>
>>> On 21 Aug 2019, at 8:26 am, Bobby J. Hughes bhughes@qnsi.net <flyrotary@lancaironline.= net> wrote:
>>>
>>> Steve,
>>>
>>> Was this question for Bill Schertz?=C2=A0
>>>
>>> Bobby
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>
>>>> On Aug 20, 2019, at 6:28 PM, Stephen Izett stephen.izett@gmail.com &= lt;flyrota= ry@lancaironline.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Why is that Bobby?
>>>> I=E2=80=99m trying to remember how I routed the negative t= o the coils. I know the suppressor capacitors go direct to gearbox plate. >>>> Steve
>>>>
>>>>> On 21 Aug 2019, at 2:22 am, William Schertz wschertz343@gmail.com = <flyrot= ary@lancaironline.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Check that the Coils are grounded TO THE ENGINE (DIREC= T)
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Aug 19, 2019 at 8:27 AM Bobby J. Hughes bhughes@qnsi.net <flyrotary@la= ncaironline.net> wrote:
>>>>> It happened during initial ground runs and troubleshoo= ting. This is
>>>>> being made public knowledge for a friend:)
>>>>>
>>>>> Bobby
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.= net]
>>>>> Sent: Monday, August 19, 2019 9:07 AM
>>>>> To: Rotary motors in aircraft
>>>>> Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: EC3 Coil Diagnostics
>>>>>
>>>>> Booby are you postulating what might happen, or did th= is actually happen
>>>>> to you? - The HT fried the processors!
>>>>>
>>>>> Steve
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 19 Aug 2019, at 9:42 pm, Bobby J. Hughes bhughes@qnsi.net
>>>>> <flyrotary@lancaironline.net> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Just make sure to position / secure the plugs so t= han cannot fall off
>>>>> the engine and into the wiring harness during the test= .=C2=A0 =C2=A0It does not
>>>>> end well for the controller.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Bobby
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironl= ine.net]
>>>>>> Sent: Monday, August 19, 2019 8:21 AM
>>>>>> To: Rotary motors in aircraft
>>>>>> Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: EC3 Coil Diagnostics
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This is what the manual says:
>>>>>> "Remove all the spark plugs from the engine (= or connect the plug wires
>>>>>
>>>>>> to spare plugs) and lay them on the engine where y= ou can see the spark
>>>>>
>>>>>> gaps. Make sure the body of the plug is in contact= with something
>>>>>> grounded to the engine. Now put the Mode switch in= Mode 8 and press
>>>>> the
>>>>>> Store switch. This puts the EC3 in ignition diagno= stic mode and fires
>>>>>> all the coils as if the engine were running at abo= ut 3000 RPM. You
>>>>>> should see all plugs firing. To end this diagnosti= c mode, change the
>>>>>> Mode switch selection or cycle the power off on th= e EC3."
>>>>>> (EC3-A8 13B ENGINE CONTROLLER 07-30-13 INSTALLATIO= N AND PROGRAMMING
>>>>>> GUIDE 2008 series)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sure you've got +12V power to the coils?
>>>>>> Are the coils properly grounded?
>>>>>> Coils wired correctly to EM3?
>>>>>> Note the different coil pin-outs from brand to bra= nd.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If yes, I guess you'll have to inspect the pro= gram code.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Finn
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 8/19/2019 8:46 AM, Stephen Izett stephen.izett@gmail.com<= /a> wrote:
>>>>>>> Hi Guys
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> For those of you with EC3???s.
>>>>>>> I wanted to check all coils were firing yester= day so plugged the
>>>>> leads into plugs laying on the top of the engine.
>>>>>>> I tried to enter the coil diagnostic with Mode= 8 and pressing Store.
>>>>> I got nothing.
>>>>>>> So I checked the injector diagnostic Mode 1 Co= ld Start plus Store and
>>>>> the injectors all lit up.
>>>>>>> Am I missing/forgetting/Misreading the manual = or something else?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Cheers
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Steve Izett
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
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