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Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2019 21:18:01 -0500
Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: EC3 Coil Diagnostics
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To: Rotary motors in aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>

Of course there is a simple way of testing for a small cost with no damage p=
otential and that is to use an inductive automotive timing light. You just c=
lip it around a high tension line with the plug screwed and torqued I place ,=
 crank the engine and watch the flash or lack thereof.=20

Rich

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> On Aug 20, 2019, at 7:32 PM, Stephen Izett stephen.izett@gmail.com <flyrot=
ary@lancaironline.net> wrote:
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> Ah. Sorry Bobby, Yes realise now it was Bill who asked the question re coi=
l ground.
> Thanks Bobby.
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> Steve
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>> On 21 Aug 2019, at 8:26 am, Bobby J. Hughes bhughes@qnsi.net <flyrotary@l=
ancaironline.net> wrote:
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>> Steve,
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>> Was this question for Bill Schertz? =20
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>> Bobby=20
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>> Sent from my iPad
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>>> On Aug 20, 2019, at 6:28 PM, Stephen Izett stephen.izett@gmail.com <flyr=
otary@lancaironline.net> wrote:
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>>> Why is that Bobby?
>>> I=E2=80=99m trying to remember how I routed the negative to the coils. I=
 know the suppressor capacitors go direct to gearbox plate.
>>> Steve
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>>>> On 21 Aug 2019, at 2:22 am, William Schertz wschertz343@gmail.com <flyr=
otary@lancaironline.net> wrote:
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>>>> Check that the Coils are grounded TO THE ENGINE (DIRECT)
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>>>> On Mon, Aug 19, 2019 at 8:27 AM Bobby J. Hughes bhughes@qnsi.net <flyro=
tary@lancaironline.net> wrote:
>>>> It happened during initial ground runs and troubleshooting. This is
>>>> being made public knowledge for a friend:)=20
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>>>> Bobby
>>>>=20
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net]=20=

>>>> Sent: Monday, August 19, 2019 9:07 AM
>>>> To: Rotary motors in aircraft
>>>> Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: EC3 Coil Diagnostics
>>>>=20
>>>> Booby are you postulating what might happen, or did this actually happe=
n
>>>> to you? - The HT fried the processors!
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>>>> Steve
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>>>>> On 19 Aug 2019, at 9:42 pm, Bobby J. Hughes bhughes@qnsi.net
>>>> <flyrotary@lancaironline.net> wrote:
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>>>>> Just make sure to position / secure the plugs so than cannot fall off
>>>> the engine and into the wiring harness during the test.   It does not
>>>> end well for the controller.=20
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>>>>> Bobby
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>>>>>=20
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net]=20=

>>>>> Sent: Monday, August 19, 2019 8:21 AM
>>>>> To: Rotary motors in aircraft
>>>>> Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: EC3 Coil Diagnostics
>>>>>=20
>>>>> This is what the manual says:
>>>>> "Remove all the spark plugs from the engine (or connect the plug wires=

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>>>>> to spare plugs) and lay them on the engine where you can see the spark=

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>>>>> gaps. Make sure the body of the plug is in contact with something=20
>>>>> grounded to the engine. Now put the Mode switch in Mode 8 and press
>>>> the=20
>>>>> Store switch. This puts the EC3 in ignition diagnostic mode and fires=20=

>>>>> all the coils as if the engine were running at about 3000 RPM. You=20
>>>>> should see all plugs firing. To end this diagnostic mode, change the=20=

>>>>> Mode switch selection or cycle the power off on the EC3."
>>>>> (EC3-A8 13B ENGINE CONTROLLER 07-30-13 INSTALLATION AND PROGRAMMING=20=

>>>>> GUIDE 2008 series)
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>>>>> Sure you've got +12V power to the coils?
>>>>> Are the coils properly grounded?
>>>>> Coils wired correctly to EM3?
>>>>> Note the different coil pin-outs from brand to brand.
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>>>>> If yes, I guess you'll have to inspect the program code.
>>>>>=20
>>>>> Finn
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>>>>>> On 8/19/2019 8:46 AM, Stephen Izett stephen.izett@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>> Hi Guys
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>> For those of you with EC3???s.
>>>>>> I wanted to check all coils were firing yesterday so plugged the
>>>> leads into plugs laying on the top of the engine.
>>>>>> I tried to enter the coil diagnostic with Mode 8 and pressing Store.
>>>> I got nothing.
>>>>>> So I checked the injector diagnostic Mode 1 Cold Start plus Store and=

>>>> the injectors all lit up.
>>>>>> Am I missing/forgetting/Misreading the manual or something else?
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>>>>>> Cheers
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>>>>>> Steve Izett
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