X-Junk-Score: 0 [] X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 [] X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=2.3 cv=JejCUnCV c=1 sm=1 tr=0 a=CNxroDhzFkgeuOxFWPoQVg==:117 a=jpOVt7BSZ2e4Z31A5e1TngXxSK0=:19 a=x7bEGLp0ZPQA:10 a=K7ySfSCCDxUA:10 a=E5NmQfObTbMA:10 a=pGLkceISAAAA:8 a=Ia-xEzejAAAA:8 a=on22okXAAAAA:8 a=7g1VtSJxAAAA:8 a=LODgYGNZTGEWtRqcppYA:9 a=mmCQTCh4WU7QSoLF:21 a=85oCK27r8fQSWmx4:21 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=Qa1je4BO31QA:10 a=gvSQh4r-fQ0A:10 a=mOaR3b4MMGlkNyZUTakA:9 a=eUW3LUN6ZujNybs6:21 a=fTp8BQMyJyGESRUb:21 a=JglixhhDeBM3ACvR:21 a=Urk15JJjZg1Xo0ryW_k8:22 a=NPqpj5bUEVj9vR1HIonK:22 a=grOzbf7U_OpcSX4AJOnl:22 From: "Matt Boiteau mattboiteau@gmail.com" Received: from mail-yw1-f50.google.com ([209.85.161.50] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.2.12) with ESMTPS id 12541529 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Wed, 08 May 2019 10:02:59 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=209.85.161.50; envelope-from=mattboiteau@gmail.com Received: by mail-yw1-f50.google.com with SMTP id a130so10715097ywe.13 for ; Wed, 08 May 2019 07:03:00 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=S0GJdwCgT54cMt8Ib5G/MQMemiFQBNMzWkVsZRICnI8=; b=ffOU6Hodb1TZufKhbj/+5qu/RbqMzDV3ETlJKStAhotetcks36bnzuL9x1LmwR/LdK nhfM3WFwcCKsSQ2b2oGz/s88KIljJHrGXiqVTDiKpwQBPv1VUdlbPvcIW/evf5iAchf0 fgKch4BfdGAXsTP6utVNNdw729X3wSF6YHqoLzyMQddZ1iJ8HtdJBgHx9H/pS0ksWwNB b7ftI9F9TzAdAQ7jGB1GGZ68J+/ZL5ThuhUqxfgPLIYEBIB39p2HgZDceXbS+SKe/FE8 4LvW1SW+Fw+Jo4utESGvuNkBZvS+/4srIFDq0XWkHCcmqnH5gr/oIPhkKy6TUidcaCrq PI0A== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=S0GJdwCgT54cMt8Ib5G/MQMemiFQBNMzWkVsZRICnI8=; b=DcBqzBOcvwUt9HtxJHNgjjAcEoMUfXdVUlMPKSTFv2F8u6yOANXJiRRLiUxt07LFqx wONm/rGIFm3DfEaai90/WOqNndTkKDlTUW4g+4BqOAcLbHj+hkoXlu1MQoPm3jINJmZn kZ2x8BmDdaudKOp5nqqOGi5vaJa5EuDcmYt96AQ7M+R0zwRSfxih5MiHTtP/z/CZ5JqG cKfwsg5j9sZ3k1uRvNIubhj8BPaRai3w4tjlbehtXoJ9b5RnTZuv9m/zKGikI4A556HS YdcYNjN3BLnOzlju4jSSZBoDTO2EfsWPEx3/04NR/hS2qs6PBdaYt7S/iCIPzyVqS6Ig 63wg== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAVzivJq+Nkffe9Vpkr4c5XZo5rrLeCyPlp6JkwXCMSH9TRF4K/c UEVhfB6OPzQ7cZ0b47sKoHEovifdteQBJqP+ie4vYT2lpMI= X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqza1Ohnxm5dFxBMuHKQEb8m/OIuTJRPgiUaNMXyHUtOuvB6uRPqYm0iri+kElUiap1WUK8jx6XCIO5hbhpHlDU= X-Received: by 2002:a25:65c5:: with SMTP id z188mr24988950ybb.217.1557324161537; Wed, 08 May 2019 07:02:41 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 8 May 2019 10:02:29 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: Venting the Reduction Drive To: Rotary motors in aircraft Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="00000000000072e1f4058860c90e" --00000000000072e1f4058860c90e Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable So far on the ground, static 2200 prop rpm for 30seconds, temps only got to 135=C2=B0F. Haven't flown yet. Will advise in June. - Matt Boiteau On Wed, May 8, 2019, 00:09 Kelly Troyer keltro@gmail.com < flyrotary@lancaironline.net> wrote: > Matt, > So you are trying using self contained lube with no pressure feed from > the engine and no drain...=E2=80=A6...Watch your temps......=E2=80=A6=E2= =80=A6.Let us know what > happens...=E2=80=A6... > > Kelly Troyer > > On Tue, May 7, 2019 at 10:15 PM Matt Boiteau mattboiteau@gmail.com < > flyrotary@lancaironline.net> wrote: > >> I've been experimenting on Neil's PSRU with sealing it up. Only adding a >> breather vent on the rear housing. So far I've only done ground testing, >> but all seems well enough to fly with it soon enough. The Tygon house in >> the picture was only to see the oil flow, it's capped off now. I ran gea= r >> oil 70w-140 and it was way to thick and came out the breather vent, so w= ent >> back down to my normal engine oil 20w-50. Filled half full, but I think = I >> can go a little less, haven't tested the idle level yet. >> >> I have a temp sensor (1/3 down), and a digital level sensor (half way) >> installed in the rear housing as well. >> >> - Matt Boiteau >> >> On 2019-05-07 12:32:26 PM, Steven W. Boese SBoese@uwyo.edu < >> flyrotary@lancaironline.net> wrote: >> If the original return line was not enlarged, the "vent" line simply >> acted as an additional return line and my gearboxes operated completely >> filled with oil. >> >> Steve Boese >> >> > On May 7, 2019, at 9:41 AM, Jeff Whaley jwhaley@datacast.com wrote: >> > >> > =E2=97=86 This message was sent from a non-UWYO address. Please exerci= se >> caution when clicking links or opening attachments from external sources= . >> > >> > >> > Hi Steve, is the enlarging of the oil return necessary? >> > I thought you first tried enlarging the return line expecting it to >> improve draining, only to find no improvement until the vent line was >> added. >> > Jeff >> > >> > Jeff, >> > At this point I have only 3 hr of flight time on the gearbox with the >> modified drain and vent. I have not observed a significant effect with >> respect to power absorption or heat generation. >> > >> > Connecting the vent line to the foot of the rotor housing was >> ineffective even though this location was above the oil level. Connectin= g >> the vent line to the area of the oil filler opening at the top of the >> center iron allowed the gearbox to drain as intended. >> > >> > The most troublesome part of the modification was enlarging the oil >> return to 1/2" NPT in the rotor housing foot. >> > >> > Steve Boese >> > >> > >> > -- >> > Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ >> > Archive and UnSub: >> http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/flyrotary/List.html >> >> -- >> Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ >> Archive and UnSub: >> http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/flyrotary/List.html >> >> -- >> Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ >> Archive and UnSub: >> http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/flyrotary/List.html >> > > > --00000000000072e1f4058860c90e Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
So far on the ground, static 2200 prop rpm for 30sec= onds, temps only got to 135=C2=B0F.

Haven't flown yet. Will advi= se in June.

- Matt Boiteau <= /div>
O= n Wed, May 8, 2019, 00:09 Kelly Troyer = keltro@gmail.com <fly= rotary@lancaironline.net> wrote:
Matt,
=C2=A0 So you a= re trying using self contained lube with no pressure feed from the engine a= nd no drain...=E2=80=A6...Watch your temps......=E2=80=A6=E2=80=A6.Let us k= now what happens...=E2=80=A6...

Kelly Troyer=C2=A0=

On Tue, May 7, 2019 at 10:15 PM Matt Boiteau mattboiteau@gmail.com= <flyrotary@lancaironline.net> wrote:
I've been experimenting on Neil= 's PSRU with sealing it up. Only adding a breather vent on the rear hou= sing. So far I've only done ground testing, but all seems well enough t= o fly with it soon enough. The Tygon house in the picture was only to see t= he oil flow, it's capped off now. I ran gear oil 70w-140 and it was way= to thick and came out the breather vent, so went back down to my normal en= gine oil 20w-50. Filled half full, but I think I can go a little less, have= n't tested the idle level yet.

I have a temp sensor (1/3 down),= and a digital level sensor (half way) installed in the rear housing as wel= l.

- Matt Boiteau

On 2019-05-07 12:32:26 PM, Steven W. Boese SBoese@uwyo.edu <f= lyrotary@lancaironline.net> wrote:

If the original return line was not enlarged, the &= quot;vent" line simply acted as an additional return line and my gearb= oxes operated completely filled with oil.

Steve Boese

> On May 7, 2019, at 9:41 AM, Jeff Whaley jwhaley@datacast.com= wrote:
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> =E2=97=86 This message was sent from a non-UWYO address. Please ex= ercise caution when clicking links or opening attachments from external sou= rces.
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> Hi Steve, is the enlarging of the oil return necessary?
> I thought you first tried enlarging the return line expecting it t= o improve draining, only to find no improvement until the vent line was add= ed.
> Jeff
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> Jeff,
> At this point I have only 3 hr of flight time on the gearbox with = the modified drain and vent. I have not observed a significant effect with= respect to power absorption or heat generation.
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> Connecting the vent line to the foot of the rotor housing was inef= fective even though this location was above the oil level. Connecting the = vent line to the area of the oil filler opening at the top of the center ir= on allowed the gearbox to drain as intended.
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> The most troublesome part of the modification was enlarging the oi= l return to 1/2" NPT in the rotor housing foot.
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> Steve Boese
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