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Sam,
Well worth the trip. Sometimes it amazes me just how stupid some
sales people can be. You probably dodged a bullet (cost, time to install,
possible problems).
Tracy H.
Sent: Friday, April 5, 2019 8:47 AM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Electric constant speed
props
Went
to Sun n Fun and talked to a Aeromaster representative to collect information
and data on their Electric constant speed prop combinations. After waiting a
little while a representative of the company approached as asked what he can do
for me. I replied that I am extremely interested in their design and would like
further information. I was asked about my aircraft engine installation, I
explained to him about the Rotary and what my RPM requirements would be. His
response went something like this " Do you know how much this cost? it will
probably double the cost of your installation/plane" I immediately took this as
an insult and replied " you know nothing of me, my finances, nor my plane" as I
walked past him I padded him on the arm and said " keep your freakin prop, you
just saved me a lot of money" but I didn't say freakin. One thing I did find out
is that it would be around 26lbs, well worth the trip, wouldn't you agree?
Sam
On Tuesday, April 2, 2019, 07:27:12 PM EDT, Bobby J. Hughes
bhughes@qnsi.net <flyrotary@lancaironline.net> wrote:
Climb at 6800/ 2100 rpm
Correction 6000/ 2100 rpm.
Bobby
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Bill,
Most takeoffs have been at 7000/2400 rpm with MP between 34-38” to
pattern.
Climb at 6800/ 2100 rpm
Cruise at 5200/ 1824 or 4800/ 1624 rpm depending on my desired fuel burn
and airspeed. Most cross country flight are at 28-30” MP and with F/A
15.8. Or 13.5 for higher MP.
Bobby
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Bobby, You push it fairly hard with your supercharged engine
too. What cruise RPM are you running? P.Sport always tried to tune for lower
RPMS and higher power to avoid the torsional vibration problems. With boost
you can make more power at lower RPMs which is a plus in this case.
The rotary is tough, the engine will tolerate a lot, but the high revs for
long periods is what causes the need for attention to torsionals. BTW I
moved and had to take a break from my redrive efforts, but am getting back
to it. Got some good ideas today from Mark Hatch, Everett's son.
Bill
My MT weighs 42#’s. The hub is heavy, blades are light weigh. Gear
lashing appears to have increased a little over the first 500 hours. End
play is about 5 thousandths with original snubber.
Bobby
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Sam,
I am working with some originators of Powersport.
The weight of your build makes a big difference on the use of a constant
speed. Also in the case of the rotary the quality of your muffler! Sound
levels really effect your comfort on longer flights. Mufflers for
rotaries are tough, I already have 1 failed design to my (bad) credit.
The original Powersport
designs used the light weight and flexibility of a wood prop to their
advantage. Those engines were tuned for max power at 6500 RPM. The
reductions were about 1.85 to 2.2:1. suitable for the lower power peak.
Torsional vibration issues also favored a wood prop. How heavy is the
electric Airmaster?
MOST engines including the rotary are helped by a variable pitch prop.
Whether the combination is safe depends on the reduction drive, ratio,
and weight of the prop on the output shaft. Powersport's
owners noted significant torsional vibration problems with every
planetary gear set, (even their own custom made straight cut planetary).
Their later stiff model internal ring gear reduction gearbox put the
resonances out of the normal range for the rotary. Prior to that the
only problem free build with a planetary was when they built a pendulous
damper system (like a big radial engine uses) which worked great but was
so expensive they figured they would never sell an engine. So if you are
running a planetary reduction you need to keep the weight down as much
as you can. Find out what the Airmaster
weighs. The amount that it exceeds your wood or carbon fixed blade prop
is your risk factor. The advantage is to use a low cruise rpm that takes
advantage of the props flexibility. As a thrust producing device it is
better, there is no doubt. If it is very heavy though it may cause
problems that aren't obvious as to origin. Torsional problems may take
hundreds of hours to develop, or something may break the first week.
Just be wary. Always keep track of things like changes in output shaft
end play and backlash. You can make the change, and see excellent
results but go in with your eyes open. Lots of people will tell you this
is nervous nelly stuff, but the guys at P.S. probably had more hours
running and testing rotaries AT HIGH OUTPUT levels than anyone other
than Mazda.
Bill Jepson
Lately I have been considering an Airmaster electric constant
speed prop to help achieve the rotaries true potential. I am asking
for insight to help me make this decision. I'm not sure if the
benefits of a constant speed out weight the cost, please help.
Sam
RV-7A
Renesis
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