X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com From: "Charlie England" Received: from mail-ua0-f176.google.com ([209.85.217.176] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.1.14) with ESMTPS id 9365545 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Fri, 13 Jan 2017 08:58:31 -0500 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=209.85.217.176; envelope-from=ceengland7@gmail.com Received: by mail-ua0-f176.google.com with SMTP id y9so37365345uae.2 for ; Fri, 13 Jan 2017 05:58:30 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=8hoFgrUQjZMwVS8nXo4G5lTs91sdNnOOcAIucupJccw=; b=a0EZNlAceuYO/ztRdGPoxRCpEYZjkozTwAJuKLCPQ+QbI2oLoYzllFsL0Sss3/6nrV zLHA47fNOicjOOO7pdI2T2L29jm7+8nbVBuzsyJBVr9MQUdAJ+mNtJWRo+hXJZVKQLUB APEJz3DKtr2mt3w1ASkr1r8hRAgW6A3lK3bhrGmrXmOPiztEkvFfHtfdqlyIWYNtVsiN 8YhKNh+F6CMAGCqQJobjnC4JFr1IruLxWMTysRJYn/nkXlutB7rFDN6WCqLJ1Qgyrg5m p0oF+Kr5YAPqDRMycbQt7VbRskVMQy+02JZxccr7jIPieBOXCO3/NVdnpr5s1GWabVmR v1fA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=8hoFgrUQjZMwVS8nXo4G5lTs91sdNnOOcAIucupJccw=; b=F9fXUippfpIjGGrQhXzHFE5aER7uDaKgy11XTiS23s9UW/19yWZTlR/8La4oosMAFb HffyaPzT26VU/u5dY4WCRhwYHjz5jqCmVegstpNBlGpy34mMEeCgPaqyLR/7bu1m3gaX od9bb3KuoiwuDQi+kXhgknvQSsEH6KPXv7ysDbovi63Th2pyIMoJsMYL+ETtqSJzElMg IT3VUMXe0wWbZmAKcX/ghhFAhWN+k8JKEdIIFm6yW4w0BSGRIDJKFiaKVs1Ehl1FadU7 6hgECbUEz8auyNdBvz5OPlrpkDeB6RIjtD4s65fUxyx6eINcSIlmJbGSqvKaASPumNLg dIFQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AIkVDXImo4dMwwCSrsDG9yvB1pHe6SaS8wq/9aDgnTWVNcSunCfH4Twframv9w6JMVD9QV6hjMEVhHUZo6oXWg== X-Received: by 10.159.40.41 with SMTP id c38mr10188940uac.17.1484315892488; Fri, 13 Jan 2017 05:58:12 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.103.48.76 with HTTP; Fri, 13 Jan 2017 05:58:12 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2017 07:58:12 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: What I'd do differently... or the same. To: Rotary motors in aircraft Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=94eb2c0433a281a02e0545fa39d9 --94eb2c0433a281a02e0545fa39d9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Nice. Got a closer image of the trusses & track? Most garage door track here in the USA is basically C channel (more of a notched 0) that's typically supported only on the ends. Thanks, Charlie On Fri, Jan 13, 2017 at 3:08 AM, Nigel Baker wrote: > When I built my workshop I knew I would need to lift stuff around and I= =E2=80=99m > not getting any younger and like to be self-sufficient. > > So I guess you mean something like attached. > > I designed it for 250 KG which is plenty for my activities. > > I used 250KG garage door track with good support for the spans. > > The travelling beam spans 5.8 mts. > > The electric hoist (250KG) was AUD$104.00 including postage. > > All up I spent about AUD$600.00 building it 4 years ago so not that > expensive. > > Cheers. > > Nige. > > > > > > *From:* Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] > *Sent:* Friday, January 6, 2017 10:53 AM > *To:* Rotary motors in aircraft > *Subject:* [FlyRotary] What I'd do differently... or the same. > > > > Yeah, this is a good topic because of that damn hindsight thing! > > > > I already listed the one thing about the overhead crane or engine hoist, > but on another more practical note. I got my airplane in the air in 3 yea= rs > from knowing nothing about airplanes to choosing a kit, building (not a > quickbuild), designing and building an alternative engine FWF to first > flight, then learning to fly. > > It was all great fun at home in my shop where I could work on it every > spare minute. There was many very late nights where the creativity was > coming fast and furious and lots of times I'd wake up in the middle of th= e > night with a great idea and head to the shop. > > Then I was in a hurry to move it to the airport. I hated working on it > out there. I could go on with a long list of reasons why, but it was hard > to continue experimenting with it out there and I started regretting doin= g > some things that I was otherwise glad that I tried. I tried to deny this = to > myself and stay excited and positive about it all. > > By the time that I took it home 2 years later, I was not really > interested in dealing with it. And since we had just bought the land acro= ss > the road, I had a new shop to build, barns to build, a kid to raise and a > thousand other distractions, so that it took till now to get interested > again. > > Fortunately, my wife only once made mention of selling it, but from my > reaction never mentioned it again, but I can see how so many projects get > abandoned at this point. > > > > So from that, what would I do differently? Hard to be sure since I didn'= t > have the flight experience to make some different choices, but even an > extra year in the shop going at a little slower pace wouldn't have hurt. > That old saying about if you don't have time to do it right the first tim= e, > then when are you going to find time to do it the second time, is even > harder when you are no longer in your well equipped shop while doing it t= he > second time. Now it's not like the workmanship is bad, when I say about > doing it right, but rather if some of our design choices are constrained = by > the amount of work involved. Now I would rather do an almost unreasonable > amount of work in the comfort of my shop than almost anything in the fiel= d. > I really enjoy building at home, but when it's not at home I just want to > fly it. > > Previously I would cling to questionable half-baked ideas because of > the time and money that I'd invested in it. That's not to say that > half-baked ideas are all bad, but now I'll be far more likely to move on > and try something else regardless of time and money investment if I don't > feel good about something. > > So when you're considering something like relocating a cooler and are > certain that it would improve performance but don't want to to do the wor= k > involved, just do it when you're still in a well equipped and convenient > work space. > > And all you lucky SOB's that have an airstrip and hangar at home, you > can disregard this advice. > > I could fill several more posts about more specific items that I'd do > differently but this was really the big picture and once again it may see= m > obvious to many but that has been my experience. > > > Todd Bartrim > > RV9 13Bturbo > > > > Ps. I often get asked about how many hours are involved in building this > plane. I just laugh and say I don't know or care. It doesn't matter. > Ernest Christley > > 7:35 AM (7 hours ago) > > to Rotary > > George started us on a good topic. Building an airplane is an expensive > and labor intensive process. I've made many decisions where I didn't > really like something, but liked the prospect of the time and expense to > change it even less. Those things don't tend to get as much coverage in > discussions as what was actually done, even though there is a real lesson > in what the person who just did something wishes they'd done differently. > > > > This thread could be renamed "What I'd done differently" > > > > Another good one would be "What I'd do again" > > -- > Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ > Archive and UnSub: http://mail.lancaironline.net: > 81/lists/flyrotary/List.html > > --94eb2c0433a281a02e0545fa39d9 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Nice. Got a closer image of the trusses & track? Most = garage door track here in the USA is basically C channel (more of a notched= 0) =C2=A0that's typically supported only on the ends.

Thanks,

Charlie=C2=A0

On Fri, Jan 13, 2017 at 3:08 AM= , Nigel Baker <flyrotary@lancaironline.net> wrote:=

When I built my workshop I knew I would need to = lift stuff around and I=E2=80=99m not getting any younger and like to be se= lf-sufficient.

So I guess you mean something like attached.

I designed it for 250 KG which is plent= y for my activities.

I used 250KG garage door track with good support for the spans.<= /u>

The travelling b= eam spans 5.8 mts.

The electric hoist (250KG) was AUD$104.00 including postage.

All up I spent about = AUD$600.00 building it 4 years ago so not that expensive.

Cheers.

Nige.

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

From: Rotary motors in = aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net]
Sent: Friday, Janua= ry 6, 2017 10:53 AM
To: Rotary motors in aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironli= ne.net>
Subject: [FlyRotary] What I'd do differently..= . or the same.

=C2=A0=

Yeah, this is a good topic beca= use of that damn hindsight thing!

=C2=A0

I alrea= dy listed the one thing about the overhead crane or engine hoist, but on an= other more practical note. I got my airplane in the air in 3 years from kno= wing nothing about airplanes to choosing a kit, building (not a quickbuild)= , designing and building an alternative engine FWF to first flight, then le= arning to fly.

=C2=A0 = =C2=A0It was all great fun at home in my shop where I could work on it ever= y spare minute. There was many very late nights where the creativity was co= ming fast and furious and lots of times I'd wake up in the middle of th= e night with a great idea and head to the shop.

=C2=A0 =C2=A0Then I was in a hurry to move it to th= e airport. I hated working on it out there. I could go on with a long list = of reasons why, but it was hard to continue experimenting with it out there= and I started regretting doing some things that I was otherwise glad that = I tried. I tried to deny this to myself and stay excited and positive about= it all.

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 B= y the time that I took it home 2 years later, I was not really interested i= n dealing with it. And since we had just bought the land across the road, I= had a new shop to build, barns to build, a kid to raise and a thousand oth= er distractions, so that it took till now to get interested again.=C2=A0=

=C2=A0 =C2=A0Fortunately, = my wife only once made mention of selling it, but from my reaction never me= ntioned it again, but I can see how so many projects get abandoned at this = point.

=C2=A0=C2=A0

=C2=A0So from that, what wou= ld I do differently? Hard to be sure since I didn't have the flight exp= erience to make some different choices, but even an extra year in the shop = going at a little slower pace wouldn't have hurt. That old saying about= if you don't have time to do it right the first time, then when are yo= u going to find time to do it the second time, is even harder when you are = no longer in your well equipped shop while doing it the second time. Now it= 's not like the workmanship is bad, when I say about doing it right, bu= t rather if some of our design choices are constrained by the amount of wor= k involved. Now I would rather do an almost unreasonable amount of work in = the comfort of my shop than almost anything in the field. I really enjoy bu= ilding at home, but when it's not at home I just want to fly it.=

=C2=A0 =C2=A0Previously I woul= d cling to questionable half-baked ideas because of the time and money that= I'd invested in it. That's not to say that half-baked ideas are al= l bad, but now I'll be far more likely to move on and try something els= e regardless of time and money investment if I don't feel good about so= mething.

=C2=A0 =C2=A0So= when you're considering something like relocating a cooler and are cer= tain that it would improve performance but don't want to to do the work= involved, just do it when you're still in a well equipped and convenie= nt work space.

=C2=A0 = =C2=A0And all you lucky SOB's that have an airstrip and hangar at home,= you can disregard this advice.

I could fill several more posts about more specific items that I= 9;d do differently but this was really the big picture and once again it ma= y seem obvious to many but that has been my experience.


Todd Bartrim

RV9 13Bturbo

=C2=A0

Ps. I often g= et asked about how many hours are involved in building this plane. I just l= augh and say I don't know or care. It doesn't matter.=

Ernest Christley

7:35 AM (7 = hours ago)

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George started us on a good topic.=C2=A0 Building an airpl= ane is an expensive and labor intensive process.=C2=A0 I've made many d= ecisions where I didn't really like something, but liked the prospect o= f the time and expense to change it even less.=C2=A0 Those things don't= tend to get as much coverage in discussions as what was actually done, eve= n though there is a real lesson in what the person who just did something w= ishes they'd done differently.

=C2=A0

This thread could be renamed "= What I'd done differently"

=C2=A0

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Another good one would be "= What I'd do again"


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