X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com From: "Charlie England" Received: from mail-vk0-f50.google.com ([209.85.213.50] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.1.12) with ESMTPS id 9040695 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Mon, 17 Oct 2016 08:07:12 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=209.85.213.50; envelope-from=ceengland7@gmail.com Received: by mail-vk0-f50.google.com with SMTP id b186so172214992vkb.1 for ; Mon, 17 Oct 2016 05:07:12 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=qn8QM5+w3DiWlammQ1FMb1sjuUydQNDmGRVlixFM75Q=; b=rq+qm77rl4GC9Uyv8pHLQLDrinTrE0f0t/64JudE8aQgQrpbJ4xZNs/c6kFPgzyMQl 6pzTtkktQ5Lfwe5ucf596EBveteExAy4yAbkq/1sXk+3dLhglqlDl6Ytl4MBV3plgKxn FHrArvxKWEjrjwzwcVAMwS3qcczETqWH1nYI+qqEzepaEIr5i93X8yfYCb8fJVA6FLZy gGJNiIkGpLSIXNdvcOCjAc2glUW6qXh9KUVcUB+TQN65wZFNza/hal0cdWAfu29zZtGU NGUN+/OhZOoGL96wgivFqGvur0022byaRKyl+7moBgVe+K9n3s9K19JjtpDP6F6vRMhc 9nRw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=qn8QM5+w3DiWlammQ1FMb1sjuUydQNDmGRVlixFM75Q=; b=ZKZyDSOrKduETaeqwe7alcQ0WQ0yawOYyqlSU+67iEaaCkq/p2dIGSTSd/WK8xAVLQ 9/V7N6ejtRUpbVE4FNZMQ8Fs9cxVLuDXLR2KzSWyeXLOA/lw0/Qjol0KukAC7wQhVBkU wwSzpdXs3kE0O+eIK8MsoO/LGvxXvgqHZaodHn6wMANCwza2sJd1JFHqHrt+lfYfc+Oy 1psntLnel8Lu7RzZGcqbv8i47Zt95ZBlZ6X3ynSeThoZyfcwkYHvYz1OiWxJkwVL1WLL j5IDdFOPXVAVzYuAltR/cOAsXSycRILWHBJNcinvVDSiSdUdha6fGdtLE14kZdRJrBIs 3iag== X-Gm-Message-State: AA6/9RnK9MimwpQcuCecMpjIRS5YnBkkomUQseHbW+m6denOXbAALGQAkYdPy8X0EGoFDeALH8Yz+De1KPQegA== X-Received: by 10.31.238.74 with SMTP id m71mr8247995vkh.27.1476706011942; Mon, 17 Oct 2016 05:06:51 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.103.150.66 with HTTP; Mon, 17 Oct 2016 05:06:51 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2016 07:06:51 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: New Gearbox and P-Port Renesis Update- for Neil Unger To: Rotary motors in aircraft Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=94eb2c062a38479342053f0e69f3 --94eb2c062a38479342053f0e69f3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Neil, Thanks for the pics, and please keep sharing. Can you give us a blow-by-blow on the process? Do you simply bore the housing on a mill? Straight threads? How do you seal them? Any special techniques where the port goes through the chrome liner? Thread diameter? ID of the pipe? Aluminum, steel, or stainless? And are you saying that one of you is running individual TB's, as shown in the pics, and the other has a plenum with single TB? Any noticeable differences in HP, BSFC, idle quality, etc? My hat's off to y'all; you're doing some really interesting and innovative work! Charlie On Sun, Oct 16, 2016 at 11:54 PM, Neil Unger wrote: > Kelly, on the twin TB they are 50 mm while on the single (cheaper) is 80 > mm, comes off a V8. Neil. > > On 10/17/2016 3:30 PM, Kelly Troyer wrote: > > Neil, > What size are the throttle body throats ??............ > > Kelly Troyer > > On Sun, Oct 16, 2016 at 10:44 PM, Neil Unger > wrote: > >> Charlie If your eyes are good enough you can jsu see the threads on the >> inlet P port plugs. They are joined with the clamp to the TB's. I Have >> another close up I will try and find. Neil >> >> On 10/17/2016 2:33 PM, Charlie England wrote: >> >> And total size of the email must be less than 200K, if memory serves. Do >> you have any image resizing software? >> >> Charlie >> (wanting to see details on those screw-in P-ports) >> >> On 10/16/2016 10:26 PM, Neil Unger wrote: >> >> Chris, Only one Pic per email seems to be the go, Neil >> >> On 10/17/2016 2:07 PM, Christian And Tam wrote: >> >> No worries >> Do you have a personal email as I can't seem to post to this forum with >> pics >> >> Cheers >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On 17 Oct 2016, at 6:34 am, Bobby J. Hughes >> wrote: >> >> Christian >> What manifold pressure do you see at idle? I would love to see a few >> pictures of your FWF. >> >> >> Bobby >> >> >> >> >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >> On Oct 16, 2016, at 3:24 PM, Christian And Tamara Mcdonald < >> flyrotary@lancaironline.net> wrote: >> >> Hi Bobby >> I went for a single 90mm tb and plenum over the opposite side of the >> motor and seems to work well, idles at approx 2150 and happily there. >> Could get lower but prop speed is low enough. >> >> Cheers >> Christian >> >> On Monday, 17 October 2016, Bobby J. Hughes >> wrote: >> >>> Individual TB's were used so they could be located as close to the bloc= k >>> as possible for improved idle and throttle response. Idle is still at 1= 8" >>> MP cold and a little lower after warm up. The renesis should have littl= e or >>> no overlap so the single throttle body before the intake manifold appea= rs >>> to work well. >>> >>> Sale is pending for second buyer. Not sure if engine is staying with th= e >>> plane or being removed. >>> >>> Bobby >>> >>> Sent from my iPad >>> >>> > On Oct 16, 2016, at 10:38 AM, Bill Bradburry < >>> flyrotary@lancaironline.net> wrote: >>> > >>> > Bobby, >>> > Do you know why he did the three TBs and not a plenum with one TB? >>> > Also I thought I saw where the sale of his plane was pending. What i= s >>> going on there? Was it sold as a flying plane or did you remove the en= gine? >>> > Bill >>> > >>> > -----Original Message----- >>> > From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] >>> > Sent: Sunday, October 16, 2016 8:50 AM >>> > To: Rotary motors in aircraft >>> > Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: New Gearbox and P-Port Renesis Update- for >>> Neil Unger >>> > >>> > Mark Steitle experienced sticky slide throttle. He modified it severa= l >>> times and eventually switched to one butterfly TB per rotor. >>> > >>> > Bobby >>> > >>> > Sent from my iPad >>> > >>> >> On Oct 16, 2016, at 3:50 AM, Neil Unger >>> wrote: >>> >> >>> >> Doug, Had severe problems with a slide throttle, went with >>> butterfly and no problems since. Neil. >>> >> >>> >> >>> >>> On 10/16/2016 7:07 PM, Doug Lomheim wrote: >>> >>> Hi Neil: >>> >>> >>> >>> I have read where some P-Port attempts have resulted in a >>> =C3=A2=E2=82=AC=C5=93sticky=C3=A2=E2=82=AC throttle due to suction at = certain power applications, etc. >>> Do you experience any issues such as that with your set up? >>> >>> >>> >>> thx. >>> >>> >>> >>> Doug >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> >>> Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ >>> >>> Archive and UnSub: http://mail.lancaironline.net >>> :81/lists/flyrotary/List.html >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> -- >>> >> Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ >>> >> Archive and UnSub: http://mail.lancaironline.net >>> :81/lists/flyrotary/List.html >>> > >>> > -- >>> > Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ >>> > Archive and UnSub: http://mail.lancaironline.net >>> :81/lists/flyrotary/List.html >>> > >>> > >>> > -- >>> > Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ >>> > Archive and UnSub: http://mail.lancaironline.net >>> :81/lists/flyrotary/List.html >>> >>> -- >>> Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ >>> Archive and UnSub: http://mail.lancaironline.net >>> :81/lists/flyrotary/List.html >>> >> >> >> > > --94eb2c062a38479342053f0e69f3 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Neil,

Thanks for the pics, and pleas= e keep sharing.

Can you give us a blow-by-blow on = the process? Do you simply bore the housing on a mill? Straight threads? Ho= w do you seal them? Any special techniques where the port goes through the = chrome liner? Thread diameter? ID of the pipe? Aluminum, steel, or stainles= s?

And are you saying that one of you is running i= ndividual TB's, as shown in the pics, and the other has a plenum with s= ingle TB? Any noticeable differences in HP, BSFC, idle quality, etc?
<= div>
My hat's off to y'all; you're doing some rea= lly interesting and innovative work!

Charlie
=

On Sun, Oct = 16, 2016 at 11:54 PM, Neil Unger <flyrotary@lancaironline.net> wrote:
=20 =20 =20

Kelly, on the twin TB they are 50 mm while on the single (cheaper) is 80 mm, comes off a V8.=C2=A0 Neil.


On 10/17/2016 3:30= PM, Kelly Troyer wrote:
Neil,
=C2=A0 What size are the throttle body throats ??............<= /div>

Kelly Troyer

On Sun, Oct 16, 2016 at 10:44 PM, Neil Unger <flyrotary@lancaironline.net> wrote:

Charlie=C2=A0 If your eyes are good enough you can jsu s= ee the threads on the inlet P port plugs.=C2=A0 They are joined with the clamp to the TB's.=C2=A0 I Have anoth= er close up I will try and find.=C2=A0 Neil


On 10/17/2016 2:33 PM, Charlie England wrote:
And total size of the email must be less than 200K, if memory serves. Do you have any image resizing software?

Charlie
(wanting to see details on those screw-in P-ports)

On 10/16/2016 10:26 PM, Neil Unger wrote:

Chris,=C2=A0 Only one Pic per email seems to be the go,=C2=A0 Neil


On 10/17/2016 2:07 PM, Christian And Tam wrote:
No worries
Do you have a personal email as I can't seem to post to this forum with pics

Cheers

Sent from my iPhone

On 17 Oct 2016, at 6:34 am, Bobby J. Hughes <flyrotary@lancaironline.net> wrote:

Christian
What manifold pressure do you see at idle?=C2=A0= I would love to see a few pictures of your FWF.=C2=A0


Bobby





Sent from my iPad

On Oct 16, 2016, at 3:24 PM, Christian And Tamara Mcdonald <flyrotary@lancaironline.net> wrote:

Hi Bobby
I went for a single 90mm tb and plenum over the opposite side of the motor and seems to work well, idles at approx 2150 and happily there.
Could get lower but prop speed is low enough.

Cheers
Christian

On Monday, 17 October 2016, Bobby J. Hughes <flyrotary@lancaironline.net> wrote:
Individu= al TB's were used so they could be located as close to the block as possible for improved idle and throttle response. Idle is still at 18"=C2=A0 MP cold and a littl= e lower after warm up. The renesis should have little or no overlap so the single throttle body before the intake manifold appears to work well.

Sale is pending for second buyer. Not sure if engine is staying with the plane or being removed.

Bobby

Sent from my iPad

> On Oct 16, 2016, at 10:38 AM, Bill Bradburry <flyrotary@lanca= ironline.net> wrote:
>
> Bobby,
> Do you know why he did the three TBs and not a plenum with one TB?
> Also I thought I saw where the sale of his plane was pending.=C2=A0 What is going on there= ?=C2=A0 Was it sold as a flying plane or did you remove the engine?
> Bill
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancair= online.net]
> Sent: Sunday, October 16, 2016 8:50 AM
> To: Rotary motors in aircraft > Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: New Gearbox and P-Port Renesis Update- for Neil Unger
>
> Mark Steitle experienced sticky slide throttle. He modified it several times and eventually switched to one butterfly TB per rotor.
>
> Bobby
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
>> On Oct 16, 2016, at 3:50 AM, Neil Unger <flyrotary@lanca= ironline.net> wrote:
>>
>> Doug,=C2=A0 Had severe problems with a slide throttle,=C2=A0 went with butterfly and no problems since.=C2=A0 Neil.
>>
>>
>>> On 10/16/2016 7:07 PM, Doug Lomheim wrote:
>>> Hi Neil:
>>>
>>> I have read where some P-Port attempts have resulted in a =C3=A2=E2=82=AC=C5=93sticky=C3= =A2=E2=82=AC=C2=A0 throttle due to suction at certain power applications, etc.=C2=A0 Do you experience any issues such as that with your set up?
>>>
>>> thx.
>>>
>>> Doug
>>>
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