X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com From: "Kelly Troyer" Received: from mail-oi0-f49.google.com ([209.85.218.49] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.1.11) with ESMTPS id 8858400 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Mon, 08 Aug 2016 13:56:44 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=209.85.218.49; envelope-from=keltro@gmail.com Received: by mail-oi0-f49.google.com with SMTP id f189so182162757oig.3 for ; Mon, 08 Aug 2016 10:56:43 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=ODhGfQFNGPUj6pWmQGoRA66ZYUutX/MVzunnGADelwk=; b=VFFfeBiNoT00UTQWHN5jRrCbu+B9DYzjVNvrBVq8JaHT3SX87tCkTinutTSjIxPVok en6sdiJlytAHOtMUI2gpjKQCs4JrYigUjmbmTEltv4TUbIEzar9N3Df+89CsPMOKt8X4 m3DJjKngNGCetaQrvykuahNEvv0mCZCV+p6b76nBD76sS6NMlgCUtt+kmTDMGROJnve/ OEVochB64pe2vurZ6Y+NniN3vutOlnQNRAQ8Nck98qXWTgZxSNK5oCyPzA7EccRJz2/8 7jTK2hZvvFcmKo5yvtvSQHqpJWmP3M63HI6Bzsdm/CmRWw/ZFpjkFuALJCU0VuG2znjH YC+Q== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=ODhGfQFNGPUj6pWmQGoRA66ZYUutX/MVzunnGADelwk=; b=CyRuk7Ns4gC+SIvfnP8q6Vq0xcFpZ1FP/fCwiyifDplP6esW9qF84DpKooNiN3jBXc Fbo13J/3DsiS4Ckj+FgPnqTlzvwVT3E1oHXjRzDfuytIc2CvSOxHmaX94RUGKSiIIZzQ zLzaYR2hCZ5/R05tio77oRVwmwOu1qi+l9s/DT2dcp5JLadzA4yUuUl5QFK/WGH2mBQp MgX2fyNZGRojVDdjyRaiGlN6Y6wWUkmaIfDxhv5kDYuWE9hWLRQLmI6kwuKyl/PY31qI YxtD8N/3c1kqmPN7/YWA9OqRJ3MG0BJwbwYzFcASXiaFE1XvNRpYKJAK7snPHS4m5m9V BKag== X-Gm-Message-State: AEkoouv+gHJE+4wRZC14RtjsQD1wB86RyfSeySKc7/kxYnWPt3REjyYTmfp4n4fB9U31em7ernSot3X85R80xA== X-Received: by 10.202.252.135 with SMTP id a129mr1868367oii.4.1470678985695; Mon, 08 Aug 2016 10:56:25 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.157.42.201 with HTTP; Mon, 8 Aug 2016 10:56:24 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2016 12:56:24 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: Finding the gremlin To: Rotary motors in aircraft Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a113df2808566d40539932249 --001a113df2808566d40539932249 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Steve, Please send this info to me also........... Thanks, Kelly troyer keltro@gmail.net On Sun, Aug 7, 2016 at 11:54 PM, Steven W. Boese < flyrotary@lancaironline.net> wrote: > Steve, > > > The post regarding saturated injectors was archive # 62715 on 6 Aug, 2016= . > > > If you send me your email address, I can send this post directly and also > send the program and instructions for reading the parameters and mixture > correction table from the EC2. > > > Steve Boese > > sboese@uwyo.edu > > > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Rotary motors in aircraft on behalf > of Stephen Izett > *Sent:* Sunday, August 7, 2016 7:24:04 PM > > *To:* Rotary motors in aircraft > *Subject:* [FlyRotary] Re: Finding the gremlin > > Steve, I meant to ask about the saturated injectors. I don=E2=80=99t reme= mber this > post. > Would you mind sending me the image so I know what I=E2=80=99m looking fo= r and > explain the symptoms etc. > > Cheers > > Steve Izett > > On 8 Aug 2016, at 9:06 AM, Steven W. Boese > wrote: > > Steve, > > I've attached a photo of the hardware from a system that I used to examin= e > the signals and data frame from my EC2's. The DB37 connector is a TEE th= at > has a straight through male-female connection with a third DB37 connector > on it. This enables the connector to be inserted onto the EC2 without > making any changes to the aircraft wiring. The third connector is used t= o > capture 8 channels of data using a NI USB 6008 or NI USB 6009 module and= a > PC running NI Signalexpress software. The image posted recently of the > saturated injector signals was generated with this system. > > The hardware also allows the PC to interrogate the EC2 to obtain its data > frame which is decoded and the parameters shown on the screen while the > engine is running. The mixture correction table can also be captured and > modified while the engine is running. In addition, the mixture correctio= n > table can be captured to the PC, modified while disconnected from the EC2 > and then uploaded back to the EC2 after re-establishing the connection. = An > EM(x) must not be active when doing this. The software I developed and > instructions for doing this was available on a website I maintained, but > the website was discontinued due to the limited interest shown in it. > > Steve Boese > > > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Rotary motors in aircraft on behalf > of steve Izett > *Sent:* Sunday, August 7, 2016 5:52:16 PM > *To:* Rotary motors in aircraft > *Subject:* [FlyRotary] Re: Finding the gremlin > > Your right Bobby, thats what I=E2=80=99m thinking. A male-female D-sub37 = that I > can plug into the current loom that brings out the CAS inputs, Coil and > Injector outputs. > Cheers > Steve > > On 8 Aug 2016, at 1:45 AM, Bobby J. Hughes > wrote: > > Steve > > Last night I had the thought of making a DB37 breakout so I can easily ge= t > a CRO onto and monitor any input/outputs to the EC2. > > > > A simple screw terminal strip may be simpler use for testing. That would > allow full access to the CAS wires to add an external 1k resistor and > verify p-p voltage. > Bobby > > Sent from my iPad > > On Aug 6, 2016, at 7:23 PM, steve Izett > wrote: > > Thanks Tracy > The NOP indication is directly linked to RPM - about 6K (Dynon miss reads > at the same point). But no missing occurs at this point, engine continues > smooth. > When the gremlin strikes (all hell breaks loose) it does appear clearly > related to load - just before 24=E2=80=9DHg. > > Ive never checked the timing with a light or whats in the EC2 (dumb), jus= t > thought I'd zero=E2=80=99d all parameters in non volatile memory. > I=E2=80=99m going past the hangar today so will fire her up and read the = static > timing setting via the EM3. > > As far as Earths. I have a noisy one and a quiet one and one for the gear > pump. > Each has 10 gauge wire 26 inches back to battery. > Each Earth point is an AN bolt and nut clamping all those paticular earth= s > lugs either side of the 10 gauge earth lug. All lugs are soldered. > > Power Busses are: Engine, Flight and Gear (30 amp pump) each fed by 10 > gauge wire 36 inches back to battery. > In order to easily get to all electrical systems I opted for a two buss > blade fuse arrangement. (The gear power is a 30amp breaker) > This does mean on the engine buss, EC2, EM3, Coils, Injectors, Pumps, are > fed from the same point via 10 gauge wire rather than the EC2 independent= ly > back to to battery. > > Thanks Steve and Bobby > I kept and ran the injector lines and coil trigger lines independently > seperate from each other and all other wires where possible. > eg. Coils go to the right and through the firewall. Injectors to the left > and though the firewall. > > I do pull the throttle each time the gremlin strikes trying to minimise > damage to the drive line. > > Last night I had the thought of making a DB37 breakout so I can easily ge= t > a CRO onto and monitor any input/outputs to the EC2. > I=E2=80=99ll do this before next Friday enabling testing of electrical sy= stems. > > I=E2=80=99ll check the CAS signal amplitude and check the injector signal= s. > I would like to get a video recorder, recording everything as I always > forget to check some parameter each time I=E2=80=99m testing. > > Steve > > > > > On 7 Aug 2016, at 4:12 AM, Tracy wrote: > > > Steve wrote: > > "Note to Tracy. - Did you incorporate in your code any way of knowing if > the EC2 entered a watchdog routine?" > > > Sort of. That NOP you are seeing is a good indication that the ec2/3 has > been jolted out of its normal operating loop and is trying to reboot. Th= e > backfiring is too. Electrical noise (probably in the grounding scheme = of > electrical wiring layout) is the most likely candidate. > > > Tracy > > > Sent from my iPad > > > On Aug 5, 2016, at 17:31, steve Izett wrote= : > > > Note to Tracy. - Did you incorporate in your code any way of knowing if > the EC2 entered a watchdog routine? > > > -- > > Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ > > Archive and UnSub: http://mail.lancaironline. > net:81/lists/flyrotary/List.html > > > > -- > Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ > Archive and UnSub: http://mail.lancaironline. > net:81/lists/flyrotary/List.html > > > -- > Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ > Archive and UnSub: http://mail.lancaironline. > net:81/lists/flyrotary/List.html > > > --=20 Kelly Troyer Dyke Delta_"Eventually" 13B_RD1C_EC2_EM2 --001a113df2808566d40539932249 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Steve,
=C2=A0 Please send this info to me also........= ...

Thanks,
Kelly troyer

On Sun, Aug 7, 2016 at 11:5= 4 PM, Steven W. Boese <flyrotary@lancaironline.net> wrote:

Steve,


The post regarding saturated injectors was archive # 62715 on 6 Aug, 201= 6.


If you send me your email address, I can send this post directly and als= o send the program and instructions for reading the parameters and mixture = correction table from the EC2.


Steve Boese

sboese@uwyo.edu=



From: Rotary motors in aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironlin= e.net> on behalf of Stephen Izett <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Sent: Sunday, August 7, 2016 7:24:04 PM

To: Rotary motors in aircraft
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Finding the gremlin
=C2=A0
Steve, I meant to ask about the saturated injectors. I don=E2=80=99t r= emember this post.=C2=A0
Would you mind sending me the image so I know what I=E2=80=99m looking= for and explain the symptoms etc.

Cheers

Steve Izett
On 8 Aug 2016, at 9:06 AM, Steven W. Boese <flyrotary@lancaironline.net&g= t; wrote:

Steve,

I've attached a photo o= f the hardware from a system that I used to examine the signals and data fr= ame from my EC2's.=C2=A0 The DB37 connector is a TEE that has=C2=A0a st= raight through male-female connection with a third DB37 connector on it.=C2=A0 This enables the connector to be inser= ted onto the EC2 without making any changes to the aircraft wiring.=C2=A0 T= he third connector is used to capture 8 channels of data using=C2=A0a NI US= B 6008=C2=A0 or NI USB 6009 module and a PC running NI Signalexpress software.=C2=A0 The image posted recently of the saturate= d injector signals was generated with this system.

The hardware also allows th= e PC to interrogate the EC2 to obtain its data frame which is decoded and t= he parameters shown on the screen while the engine is running.=C2=A0 The mi= xture correction table can also be captured and modified while the engine is running.=C2=A0 In additi= on, the=C2=A0mixture correction table can be captured to the PC,=C2=A0modif= ied=C2=A0while disconnected=C2=A0from the EC2 and then uploaded back to the= EC2 after re-establishing the connection.=C2=A0 An EM(x) must not be active when doing this. The software I developed and instructions f= or doing this was available on a website I maintained, but the website was = discontinued due to the limited interest shown in it.

Steve Boese


=C2=A0=C2=A0
From:=C2=A0Rotary motors in aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net> on = behalf of steve Izett <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Sent:=C2=A0Sunday, August 7, 2016 5:52:16 PM
To:=C2=A0Rotary motors in aircraft
Subject:=C2=A0[FlyRotary] Re: Finding the gremlin
=C2=A0
Your right Bobby, thats what I=E2=80=99m thinking. A male-female D-sub37 th= at I can plug into the current loom that brings out the CAS inputs, Coil an= d Injector outputs.
Cheers
Steve
On 8 Aug 2016, at 1:45 AM, Bobby J. Hughes <flyrotary@lancaironline.net&g= t; wrote:

Steve

Last night I had the thought of making a DB37 breakout so I can e= asily get a CRO onto and monitor any input/outputs to the EC2.=C2=A0=


A simple screw terminal strip may be simpler use for testing. That would al= low full access to the CAS wires to add an external 1k resistor and verify = p-p voltage. =C2=A0
Bobby

Sent from my iPad

On Aug 6, 2016, at 7:23 PM, steve Izett <flyrotary@lancaironline.net> wrote= :

Thanks Tracy
The NOP indication is directly linked to RPM - about 6K (Dynon miss r= eads at the same point). But no missing occurs at this point, engine contin= ues smooth.
When the gremlin strikes (all hell breaks loose) it does appear clear= ly related to load - just before 24=E2=80=9DHg.

Ive never checked the timing with a light or whats in the EC2 (dumb),= just thought I'd zero=E2=80=99d all parameters in non volatile memory.=
I=E2=80=99m going past the hangar today so will fire her up and read = the static timing setting via the EM3.

As far as Earths. I have a noisy one and a quiet one and one for the = gear pump.
Each has 10 gauge wire 26 inches back to battery.
Each Earth point is an AN bolt and nut clamping all those paticular e= arths lugs either side of the 10 gauge earth lug. All lugs are soldered.

Power Busses are: Engine, Flight and Gear (30 amp pump) each fed by 1= 0 gauge wire 36 inches back to battery.
In order to easily get to all electrical systems I opted for a two bu= ss blade fuse arrangement. (The gear power is a 30amp breaker)
This does mean on the engine buss, EC2, EM3, Coils, Injectors, Pumps,= are fed from the same point via 10 gauge wire rather than the EC2 independ= ently back to to battery.

Thanks Steve and Bobby
I kept and ran the injector lines and coil trigger lines independentl= y seperate from each other and all other wires where possible.
eg. Coils go to the right and through the firewall. Injectors to the = left and though the firewall.

I do pull the throttle each time the gremlin strikes trying to minimi= se damage to the drive line.

Last night I had the thought of making a DB37 breakout so I can easil= y get a CRO onto and monitor any input/outputs to the EC2.=C2=A0
I=E2=80=99ll do this before next Friday enabling testing of electrica= l systems.

I=E2=80=99ll check the CAS signal amplitude and check the injector si= gnals.
I would like to get a video recorder, recording everything as I alway= s forget to check some parameter each time I=E2=80=99m testing.

Steve




On 7 Aug 2016, at 4:12 AM, Tracy <flyrotary@lancai= ronline.net> wrote:

Steve wrote:
"Note to Tracy. - Did you incorporate = in your code any way of knowing if the EC2 entered a watchdog routine?"= ;

Sort of.=C2=A0 That NOP you are seeing is a= good indication that the ec2/3 has been jolted out of its normal operating= loop and is trying to reboot.=C2=A0 The backfiring is too. =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0Electrical noise (probably in the grounding scheme of electrical wiring layout) is the most likely candidate. =C2=A0

Tracy

Sent from my iPad

On Aug 5, 2016, at 17:31, steve Izett <<= a href=3D"mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net" target=3D"_blank">flyrotary@l= ancaironline.net> wrote:

Note to Tracy. - Did you incorporate in you= r code any way of knowing if the EC2 entered a watchdog routine?

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