X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com From: "Charlie England" Received: from mail-pa0-f41.google.com ([209.85.220.41] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.1.11) with ESMTPS id 8754581 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Thu, 23 Jun 2016 12:50:07 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=209.85.220.41; envelope-from=ceengland7@gmail.com Received: by mail-pa0-f41.google.com with SMTP id bz2so29010434pad.1 for ; Thu, 23 Jun 2016 09:50:06 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=subject:to:references:from:message-id:date:user-agent:mime-version :in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding; bh=3GFztA1KgRfD1uNXHjaIVXnWMG3jJgVIrYYL4rNtVmI=; b=oxyhvXawU3IWuXXoae610XrAmKYoxoyPvrXGJRcrA/dh6K+M9BZgq4BYJqlhuCYedk SZaxP8y+0RCUBDK0rOD87burNNBuCoSaYR9IBFZl5TGPWQs9it1iV9ed7C3Xr9GmLhih D1LH9iflamnv74FZXu0lqgTbJK2LDXoiYy1HIpPPG4Abv7BRaOjct1EPO8/DahrH2P4/ Pcf564mb8UNyqpMaoNMOElQXWSXjq5UN22HWxEQtkqElQpKhZ0rUV3sX8MqNxdafP0tL D0vs16xXfL+IsNLr5MobNElL4u2jF9Z8sWLN9UwS00oykprqiHJxBse+mcY1q7L+AfoS NU2A== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:subject:to:references:from:message-id:date :user-agent:mime-version:in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding; bh=3GFztA1KgRfD1uNXHjaIVXnWMG3jJgVIrYYL4rNtVmI=; b=FZE6JmwwQnR3CnC4OZA9qYt2CWHdYG96sMyelO0FZD6rnKEfAH6eD771SA7cM4Tolt iHv5NgTQcQEbegQ+R1WXw5I8CWBQebsHKWTjIJMn1WEz8fdO5FTcQ/elYnblbeMp6eeg iEDQWQrVPlV/8OEB+/D+a2uIUhpsEeDGzHH12O3oP5waPjLZ1OfM6RVg9REsn7P9Kf6x rhQOgN4za84GkqA5pCZzsv+HhhFCQ9q00aTDPF/+uBKWvFKQp5ZvCLvFO3AZZKN/pksb xvU5Je6L08eMmXpkEC7hqZDMGqlJd9Np/gfcZbU61vZdCKNlk8aJvJ4HCttUnt+/h2kL CoLg== X-Gm-Message-State: ALyK8tJSkLpvpu8etBvXOduErAi1amyquBtdPmdf9UYs1a9NOkZZC0VJJ3JKUBZkvjJG3w== X-Received: by 10.66.120.138 with SMTP id lc10mr44822721pab.33.1466700588511; Thu, 23 Jun 2016 09:49:48 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from ?IPv6:2602:306:25fb:1979:dc0:f51f:8e5f:5ca8? ([2602:306:25fb:1979:dc0:f51f:8e5f:5ca8]) by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id z9sm1369608pax.11.2016.06.23.09.49.47 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Thu, 23 Jun 2016 09:49:48 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: rebuild To: Rotary motors in aircraft References: Message-ID: <5e458024-40dc-4048-e981-0d871974635a@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2016 11:52:44 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.1.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On 6/23/2016 9:52 AM, Andrew Martin wrote: > Thankyou for your replies, makes it a lot easier to make sense of > whats going on, looks like I do need much more inlet area, > maybe just too much optimised for cruise, not much good if I just cant > get there in the first place though. > > Good to hear your system is operating ok Bobby. An early photo of your > setup on flyrotary is what I based mine on. Albeit a lower power > system being NA Renesis. Don't suppose you also have air temp delta's > to go along with the airflow data areas on your radiators. Would be > interesting to know the actual btu's for comparison. > > I'm now thinking my best bet to try next, is to use current duct > solely for the radiator and feed the oil with a new duct somehow, then!! > Andrew > > > -- > Regards > Andrew Martin > Martin Ag Andrew, If it will help you get more comfortable with a large inlet, here are a few quick & dirty points about cooling drag. Some research papers have indicated that as long as the 'lip' around the inlet is shaped correctly (basically a large radius lip), you can make the inlet significantly oversized without affecting drag by a noticeable amount. The way you do it is to control the *exit* size (cowl flap). With the exit flap open, you get large flow, more cooling, and a bit of drag during high power operation (climbs). Closing down the exit flap 'throttles' the flow, letting the excess air volume divert around the inlet rather than flowing through the cooling path. Doing this can simplify duct design and/or improve performance, because 'pressure recovery' happens in front of the inlet, instead of within the duct, where trying to turn the air at high speed or expand it is difficult to do without causing turbulence inside the duct, which increases drag and impedes cooling air flow. I'm sure that others here are more technically qualified to describe it, but as I said, this is the Q&D version. On the subject of separate ducts: IIRC, some have found that even with separate inlet ducts, if the coolers dump into the same space the more free-flowing cooler can still rob flow from the other. Not always a problem, but can be. Charlie