X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com From: "Christian And Tamara Mcdonald" Received: from mail-io0-f178.google.com ([209.85.223.178] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.1.10) with ESMTPS id 8712463 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Tue, 07 Jun 2016 21:30:39 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=209.85.223.178; envelope-from=christamarmc@gmail.com Received: by mail-io0-f178.google.com with SMTP id 5so30734527ioy.1 for ; Tue, 07 Jun 2016 18:30:40 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to; bh=GaR2Jjlkrw6UBBdUUar/N4Mg9XGKCgP7WxZOx6sz2xk=; b=z/PobUHor8oNWlGRMUOYx11faZ71+grV8AW48CARohNlBSFN4ZgHNtr5iNWywzXKKQ XA6SWkqdih5jG3kpZqpOPF7qA1X3ofkifKqR2tJddfpalsV6lx4/HtfK4NiiFNBYz6sA ecpYn/VBbYGBprjBeqE+ABiwphI5XGUpRFmpgkwu51iXPt4e08GZrfP3rKL93ZIBvjQr vz5UKw+Uuy998UVgaIyRKbSDy+r0azS+DPPtyCJ3ALWIt7C4IvLnZmcJbapyIr1Z2EP9 PsdAo4NC6AKFmjzlWLHa65zs0X5tSZuM6pH4mTSeHJEehOgNyrrK5jifSwEU8WHhJF2z UJSw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to; bh=GaR2Jjlkrw6UBBdUUar/N4Mg9XGKCgP7WxZOx6sz2xk=; b=Cm/medJjCZN22TWhy9cnI4CwVhdp0mx4t7UDvHKRhc1Tauocg0nq/uaK1+1UrFI2nC fEBBQhEgD+J8LnYkKHL7pFUH2q0f75GsD3O2BkVcNR78OoXha3vB08sA7cVKXS/pNr6n EUsVuVVHiujuBYjbvJaIdDFuWC6xhhYmzH2tCA2gp5ywGL6HJvHYDVysEuJn+TIUFzP0 XvrE3bJyyj01sSIVQ6oE0rkpZnCWvmAFW0m8+91YaBrPLm3rZiWYBLSEP20P93McvvD8 DmDzrLy2jjIIY830VpVbtzJkrHfkE+NxX3eyYylWzBXkHN+gd2WS0+qIr9oMiihKoDAk h6vg== X-Gm-Message-State: ALyK8tL/bz6pkuwGMxweNKs7kSP596TL+d8cFDswjPo+I7tUy72emXUn5o08Fx4p6HgJORx7JoKXDSh1/4vbTQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.107.57.7 with SMTP id g7mr4523642ioa.194.1465349423779; Tue, 07 Jun 2016 18:30:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.107.198.22 with HTTP; Tue, 7 Jun 2016 18:30:23 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2016 11:30:23 +1000 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] What a load!! To: Rotary motors in aircraft Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a114ac1d0e057e10534ba3f34 --001a114ac1d0e057e10534ba3f34 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Hi Andrew Excellent to hear of another rotary in Aus getting airborne, excellent work, Bumma about the rebuild, but that's the learning curve, is worth the perseverance . Well done As for the article, I reckon it was well done and a good collection of mistakes that some of us has made Over the years, yes it can be taken both ways, but wherever my rotary flies to there is always a fair amount of enthusiasm associated around the engine. Cheers all On Wednesday, 8 June 2016, Andrew Martin wrote: > I dont see a problem with the article, good on him for writing it, looks > to me that he is perservering. Much same article could be written by many > Lyc/Cont builds. Takes a lot to put your mistakes into print for others to > learn. > > I think we should be inviting him to this forum and encouraging him on. If > I was close I'd go and say hello but I dont think he lives near Western > Australia. > > I myself made my maiden flight on Sunday. Total time 4 minuites, learnt > that the plane handles exceponally well. Steam cleaned the inside of the > cowl at 500' above the wrong end of the runway, all due to an absolutly > stupid mistake by the builder, so a rebuild is in order before next flight. > > I might even tell more if I can bring myself to admitting my mistake in > print and know that I wont be ridiculed. I really like my rotary engine, > saved my ass. > > Cheers > Andrew Martin > Lightwing SP4000 > Renesis,rd1-c,ec2,em2. gt electric cs prop. > YGEL Western Australia > > > On Wednesday, 8 June 2016, William Jepson > wrote: > >> True Todd, and I was rather harsh in my comment. I think that I am >> sensitive as I want rotary conversions to flourish. That article isn't >> helpful to that. >> >> Bill Jepson >> On Jun 7, 2016 4:07 PM, "Todd Bartrim" >> wrote: >> >>> Oh, there's so many things that could be said about this article, but >>> the most important is the next to final line.. "but I've had a lot >>> more fun and learned a great deal more than simply bolting on another >>> engine." >>> That pretty much fits with the rule that allows us to build for >>> "entertainment and educational purposes". >>> While building my plane was fun, it wasn't hard with the very complete >>> manual and plans that Vans supplies, but by far the most fun and rewarding >>> aspect of the project was the FWF where all design and development was >>> the responsibility of yours truly with the only guidance being provided by >>> the collective wisdom of the members of this list. >>> I don't recognize his name so I assume he was never a member of this >>> list, but obviously a disciple of Lamar. While it does shed a negative >>> light on what we are doing, it likely >>> wouldn't dissuade a knowledgeable and competent builder, but will make >>> those with questionable abilities think twice about embarking on this >>> journey. >>> When we trivialize the challenges that we've overcome, we do possibly >>> create unrealistic expectations for others. >>> >>> Todd >>> C-FSTB >>> RV9 13Bturbo >>> >>> Todd Bartrim >>> >>> On Tue, Jun 7, 2016 at 2:13 PM, ARGOLDMAN >>> wrote: >>> >>>> And the re builder >>>> >>>> Rich >>>> >>>> In a message dated 6/7/2016 12:16:25 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, >>>> flyrotary@lancaironline.net writes: >>>> >>>> This single article does more to damage the reputation of the rotary >>>> engine, as well as auto conversions in general, than all the positive >>>> articles combined have done to promote the use. >>>> >>>> >>>> http://www.kitplanes.com/issues/31_9/builder_spotlight/building_rotary_engine_21069-1.html >>>> >>>> >>>> ...when in reality, it proves the incompetence of the builder. >>>> >>>> Pat >>>> >>>> >>> > > -- > Regards > Andrew Martin > Martin Ag > --001a114ac1d0e057e10534ba3f34 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Andrew
Excellent to hear of another rotary in Aus getting airborne, = excellent work,=C2=A0
Bumma about the rebuild, but that's the= learning curve, is worth the perseverance .
Well done
= As for the article, I reckon it was well done and a good collection of mist= akes that some of us has made Over the years, yes it can be taken both ways= , but wherever my rotary flies to there is always a fair amount of enthusia= sm associated around the engine.

Cheers all
On Wednesday, 8 June 2016, Andrew Martin <flyrotary@lancaironline.net> wrote:
I dont see a problem with the article, good on him for = writing it, looks to me that he is=C2=A0perservering. Much same article cou= ld be written by many Lyc/Cont builds. Takes a lot to put your mistakes int= o print for others to learn.

I think we should be inviti= ng him to this forum and encouraging him on. If I was close I'd go and = say hello but I dont think he lives near Western Australia.

I myself made my maiden=C2=A0flight on Sunday. Total time 4 minuite= s, learnt that the plane handles exceponally well. Steam cleaned the inside= of the cowl at 500' above the wrong end of the runway,=C2=A0all due to= an absolutly stupid mistake by the builder, so a rebuild is in order befor= e next flight.

I might even tell more if I can bri= ng myself to admitting my mistake in print and know that I wont be ridicule= d. I really like my rotary engine, saved my ass.

Cheers
An= drew Martin
Lightwing SP4000
Renesis,rd1-c,ec2,em2. gt = electric cs prop.
YGEL=C2=A0Western Australia


On Wednesday, 8 June 2016, William Jepson <flyrotary@lancaironline.net> wrote:

True Todd, and I was rather harsh in my commen= t. I think that I am sensitive as I want rotary conversions to flourish. Th= at article isn't helpful to that.

Bill Jepson

On Jun 7, 2016 4:07 PM, "Todd Bartrim"= <flyrotary@lancaironline.net> wrote:
=
Oh, there's so many thi= ngs that could be said about this article, but the most important is the ne= xt to final line.. =C2=A0 "but I've had a lot more fun and learned a great deal more than sim= ply bolting on another engine."=C2=A0
That pretty much fits with the rule that = allows us to build for "entertainment and educational purposes".<= /font>
While b= uilding my plane was fun, it wasn't hard with the very complete manual = and plans that Vans supplies, but by far the most fun and rewarding aspect = of the project was the FWF where all design and development was the=C2=A0re= sponsibility=C2=A0of yours truly with the only guidance being provided by t= he collective wisdom of the members of=C2=A0this list.=
=C2=A0 =C2=A0I don&#= 39;t recognize his name so I assume he was never a=C2=A0member=C2=A0of this= list, but obviously a=C2=A0disciple=C2=A0of Lamar. While it does shed a ne= gative light on what we are doing, it likely wouldn't=C2=A0dissuade=C2= =A0a=C2=A0knowledgeable=C2=A0and=C2=A0competent=C2=A0builder, but will make= those with questionable abilities think twice about embarking on this jour= ney.
When we trivialize the challenges that we've overcome, we do possi= bly create unrealistic expectations for others.
<= div>
Todd
C-FSTB
RV9 13Btur= bo

Todd Bar= trim

On Tue, Jun 7, 2016 at 2:13 PM, ARGOLDMAN <flyrotary@lancaironline.net> wrote:
And the re builder
=C2=A0
Rich
=C2=A0
In a message dated 6/7/2016 12:16:25 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,=20 flyrotary@lancaironline.net writes:
This single article does more to damage the reputation o= f the=20 rotary engine, as well as auto conversions in general, than all the posit= ive=20 articles combined have done to promote the use.=C2=A0

http://www.kitp= lanes.com/issues/31_9/builder_spotlight/building_rotary_engine_21069-1.html=


...when in reality, it proves the incompetence of the builder.

Pat



--
Regards
Andrew Martin
Martin = Ag
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