X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com From: "Neilunger" Received: from BLU004-OMC2S28.hotmail.com ([65.55.111.103] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.1.10) with ESMTPS id 8712403 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Tue, 07 Jun 2016 20:29:57 -0400 Received-SPF: neutral receiver=logan.com; client-ip=65.55.111.103; envelope-from=unger1948@bigpond.com Received: from BLU436-SMTP177 ([65.55.111.72]) by BLU004-OMC2S28.hotmail.com over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(7.5.7601.23008); Tue, 7 Jun 2016 17:29:40 -0700 X-TMN: [8/ovY9W6ik+Rxe84nrIa3Ky3xXpfBegm] X-Originating-Email: [unger1948@bigpond.com] Message-ID: Return-Path: unger1948@bigpond.com To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" References: In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: What a load!! Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2016 10:29:17 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0011_01D1C170.9C42DAA0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 15.4.3555.308 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V15.4.3555.308 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Jun 2016 00:29:39.0484 (UTC) FILETIME=[D7D635C0:01D1C11C] ------=_NextPart_000_0011_01D1C170.9C42DAA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Andrew, great news. Don=E2=80=99t worry , the only ones that = don=E2=80=99t make mistakes are the ones that do nothing. So true. = Where in WA? I am central NSW. Neil.=20 From: Andrew Martin=20 Sent: Wednesday, June 8, 2016 10:04 AM To: Rotary motors in aircraft=20 Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: What a load!! I dont see a problem with the article, good on him for writing it, looks = to me that he is perservering. Much same article could be written by = many Lyc/Cont builds. Takes a lot to put your mistakes into print for = others to learn.=20 I think we should be inviting him to this forum and encouraging him on. = If I was close I'd go and say hello but I dont think he lives near = Western Australia. I myself made my maiden flight on Sunday. Total time 4 minuites, learnt = that the plane handles exceponally well. Steam cleaned the inside of the = cowl at 500' above the wrong end of the runway, all due to an absolutly = stupid mistake by the builder, so a rebuild is in order before next = flight. I might even tell more if I can bring myself to admitting my mistake in = print and know that I wont be ridiculed. I really like my rotary engine, = saved my ass. Cheers Andrew Martin Lightwing SP4000 Renesis,rd1-c,ec2,em2. gt electric cs prop. YGEL Western Australia On Wednesday, 8 June 2016, William Jepson = wrote: True Todd, and I was rather harsh in my comment. I think that I am = sensitive as I want rotary conversions to flourish. That article isn't = helpful to that. Bill Jepson On Jun 7, 2016 4:07 PM, "Todd Bartrim" = wrote: Oh, there's so many things that could be said about this article, = but the most important is the next to final line.. "but I've had a lot = more fun and learned a great deal more than simply bolting on another = engine."=20 That pretty much fits with the rule that allows us to build for = "entertainment and educational purposes". While building my plane was fun, it wasn't hard with the very = complete manual and plans that Vans supplies, but by far the most fun = and rewarding aspect of the project was the FWF where all design and = development was the responsibility of yours truly with the only guidance = being provided by the collective wisdom of the members of this list. I don't recognize his name so I assume he was never a member of = this list, but obviously a disciple of Lamar. While it does shed a = negative light on what we are doing, it likely wouldn't dissuade a = knowledgeable and competent builder, but will make those with = questionable abilities think twice about embarking on this journey. When we trivialize the challenges that we've overcome, we do = possibly create unrealistic expectations for others. Todd C-FSTB RV9 13Bturbo Todd Bartrim On Tue, Jun 7, 2016 at 2:13 PM, ARGOLDMAN = wrote: And the re builder Rich In a message dated 6/7/2016 12:16:25 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, = javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','flyrotary@lancaironline.net'); writes: This single article does more to damage the reputation of the = rotary engine, as well as auto conversions in general, than all the = positive articles combined have done to promote the use.=20 = http://www.kitplanes.com/issues/31_9/builder_spotlight/building_rotary_en= gine_21069-1.html ...when in reality, it proves the incompetence of the builder. Pat --=20 Regards Andrew Martin Martin Ag ------=_NextPart_000_0011_01D1C170.9C42DAA0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Andrew,  great news.  Don=E2=80=99t worry , the only ones = that don=E2=80=99t make=20 mistakes are the ones that do nothing.  So true.    = Where in=20 WA?  I am central NSW.  Neil.=20
Sent: Wednesday, June 8, 2016 10:04 AM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: What a load!!
 
I=20 dont see a problem with the article, good on him for writing it, looks = to me=20 that he is perservering. Much same article could be written by many = Lyc/Cont=20 builds. Takes a lot to put your mistakes into print for others to learn. =
 
I think we should be inviting him to this forum and encouraging him = on. If=20 I was close I'd go and say hello but I dont think he lives near Western=20 Australia.
 
I myself made my maiden flight on Sunday. Total time 4 minuites, = learnt=20 that the plane handles exceponally well. Steam cleaned the inside of the = cowl at=20 500' above the wrong end of the runway, all due to an absolutly stupid = mistake=20 by the builder, so a rebuild is in order before next flight.
 
I might even tell more if I can bring myself to admitting my = mistake in=20 print and know that I wont be ridiculed. I really like my rotary engine, = saved=20 my ass.

Cheers
Andrew Martin
Lightwing SP4000
Renesis,rd1-c,ec2,em2. gt electric cs prop.
YGEL Western Australia
 

On Wednesday, 8 June 2016, William Jepson <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>=20 wrote:

True Todd, and I was rather harsh in my comment. I think = that I am=20 sensitive as I want rotary conversions to flourish. That article isn't = helpful=20 to that.

Bill Jepson

On Jun 7, 2016 4:07 PM, "Todd Bartrim" <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','flyrotary@lancaironline.net'= );>=20 wrote:
Oh, there's so many things that could be said about = this=20 article, but the most important is the next to final = line..  =20 "but=20 I've had a lot more fun and learned a great deal more than simply = bolting on=20 another engine."
That pretty much fits with the rule that allows us = to build=20 for "entertainment and educational purposes".
While building my plane was fun, it = wasn't hard=20 with the very complete manual and plans that Vans supplies, but by = far the=20 most fun and rewarding aspect of the project was the FWF where all = design=20 and development was the responsibility of yours truly with the only = guidance=20 being provided by the collective wisdom of the members of this=20 list.
   I don't recognize his name = so I=20 assume he was never a member of this list, but obviously a disciple = of=20 Lamar. While it does shed a negative light on what we are doing, it = likely=20 wouldn't dissuade a knowledgeable and competent builder, but will = make those=20 with questionable abilities think twice about embarking on this=20 journey.
When we trivialize the challenges that = we've=20 overcome, we do possibly create unrealistic expectations for=20 others.

Todd
C-FSTB
RV9 = 13Bturbo
 
Todd Bartrim
 
On Tue, Jun 7, 2016 at 2:13 PM, ARGOLDMAN = <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','flyrotary@lancaironline.net'= );>=20 wrote:
And the re builder
 
Rich
 
In a message dated 6/7/2016 12:16:25 P.M. Pacific Daylight = Time, javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','flyrotary@lancaironline.net'= );=20 writes:
This single article does more to damage the = reputation of=20 the rotary engine, as well as auto conversions in general, than = all the=20 positive articles combined have done to promote the use. =

http://www.kitplanes.com/issues/31_9/builder_spotlight/bu= ilding_rotary_engine_21069-1.html
 
 
...when in reality, it proves the incompetence of the=20 builder.
 
=
Pat
=
 

--=20
Regards
Andrew Martin
Martin = Ag
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