X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com From: "Andrew Martin" Received: from mail-yw0-f179.google.com ([209.85.161.179] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.1.10) with ESMTPS id 8712379 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Tue, 07 Jun 2016 20:04:48 -0400 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=209.85.161.179; envelope-from=andrew@martinag.com.au Received: by mail-yw0-f179.google.com with SMTP id o16so185754532ywd.2 for ; Tue, 07 Jun 2016 17:04:49 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=martinag-com-au.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to; bh=+5W97rDqUdVqiCmSfwlcQu8OzI8uyUqcFChb6fyvfEY=; b=EzIKQxKx00uer+tkVRBhMuLy+EJe/J1Exx63HyquLYCfDosJWCnt6K87iwTsz2R4Kr L3nbeplnemjQSJH7CypBoAMDo+IQV1HBT8AjT7Gwpa/mySZfv+FFypzQhXaQk7jltrOm 7g3996w9F0AO+S/fwB8Wzc5s3moIpxrrOePfGxhk8LNP7a/t/ZjhrmWim/5vFnwp7vjx aigy7IoFQjIYlNa/5G8IY0Cclr5os1sNi8SfJ+4AEcYy1i5yuNFJlAFv6g4tnlVTsp5Y LropaZZzHxgzBaNdnXCrXjhMX0AjUpb+Lxh5czSDkV6txBbr8M4kKDA7PrO2a5wTnBQ0 Kz2A== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to; bh=+5W97rDqUdVqiCmSfwlcQu8OzI8uyUqcFChb6fyvfEY=; b=VnDzVn2BLWSJivfnzbYMTCbMwZn3tU7KBDy2hBve1Xucva1EimwTZZEAmI2BVNzNy5 GRxaFWNhQEOFaJyY9phW9SHaVegAUxkPfNy0iqwot/vVzdlpEtRVAsQhJrYUjkAjnYTB QUoJG9+wjMhGXwy31xLnYSHO9Z/hZInjwcpkCLxQ8cVm5GnbbwDd9ODYuoVpv/Yvc7B9 o04k1PIJx32sHC7aM4JAAO4Q97VhU8y1Ivg3h97J5aIC1bSf/rNpJATiyfPAVPgvFFf6 gmhL0yNQWj5jcp+WGtjo9LRzQiAAix6ZWTDUhqwXUs4NB00RB2WMz762580zojcQtt3v yv4g== X-Gm-Message-State: ALyK8tKrDPgUVBqOpiE+wuWELzmG83AFdIGziY7BmspERC7mPH/6BrFhvM2+0kK0QJE5z6ORFP0caESl42G0Og== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.37.202.67 with SMTP id a64mr1246322ybg.74.1465344271260; Tue, 07 Jun 2016 17:04:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.83.13.3 with HTTP; Tue, 7 Jun 2016 17:04:31 -0700 (PDT) X-Originating-IP: [202.40.0.40] In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2016 08:04:31 +0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] What a load!! To: Rotary motors in aircraft Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=94eb2c05bdd4c352540534b90cbd --94eb2c05bdd4c352540534b90cbd Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 I dont see a problem with the article, good on him for writing it, looks to me that he is perservering. Much same article could be written by many Lyc/Cont builds. Takes a lot to put your mistakes into print for others to learn. I think we should be inviting him to this forum and encouraging him on. If I was close I'd go and say hello but I dont think he lives near Western Australia. I myself made my maiden flight on Sunday. Total time 4 minuites, learnt that the plane handles exceponally well. Steam cleaned the inside of the cowl at 500' above the wrong end of the runway, all due to an absolutly stupid mistake by the builder, so a rebuild is in order before next flight. I might even tell more if I can bring myself to admitting my mistake in print and know that I wont be ridiculed. I really like my rotary engine, saved my ass. Cheers Andrew Martin Lightwing SP4000 Renesis,rd1-c,ec2,em2. gt electric cs prop. YGEL Western Australia On Wednesday, 8 June 2016, William Jepson wrote: > True Todd, and I was rather harsh in my comment. I think that I am > sensitive as I want rotary conversions to flourish. That article isn't > helpful to that. > > Bill Jepson > On Jun 7, 2016 4:07 PM, "Todd Bartrim" > wrote: > >> Oh, there's so many things that could be said about this article, but the >> most important is the next to final line.. "but I've had a lot more >> fun and learned a great deal more than simply bolting on another engine." >> That pretty much fits with the rule that allows us to build for >> "entertainment and educational purposes". >> While building my plane was fun, it wasn't hard with the very complete >> manual and plans that Vans supplies, but by far the most fun and rewarding >> aspect of the project was the FWF where all design and development was >> the responsibility of yours truly with the only guidance being provided by >> the collective wisdom of the members of this list. >> I don't recognize his name so I assume he was never a member of this >> list, but obviously a disciple of Lamar. While it does shed a negative >> light on what we are doing, it likely >> wouldn't dissuade a knowledgeable and competent builder, but will make >> those with questionable abilities think twice about embarking on this >> journey. >> When we trivialize the challenges that we've overcome, we do possibly >> create unrealistic expectations for others. >> >> Todd >> C-FSTB >> RV9 13Bturbo >> >> Todd Bartrim >> >> On Tue, Jun 7, 2016 at 2:13 PM, ARGOLDMAN > > wrote: >> >>> And the re builder >>> >>> Rich >>> >>> In a message dated 6/7/2016 12:16:25 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, >>> flyrotary@lancaironline.net >>> writes: >>> >>> This single article does more to damage the reputation of the rotary >>> engine, as well as auto conversions in general, than all the positive >>> articles combined have done to promote the use. >>> >>> >>> http://www.kitplanes.com/issues/31_9/builder_spotlight/building_rotary_engine_21069-1.html >>> >>> >>> ...when in reality, it proves the incompetence of the builder. >>> >>> Pat >>> >>> >> -- Regards Andrew Martin Martin Ag --94eb2c05bdd4c352540534b90cbd Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I dont see a problem with the article, good on him for writing it, looks to= me that he is=C2=A0perservering. Much same article could be written by man= y Lyc/Cont builds. Takes a lot to put your mistakes into print for others t= o learn.

I think we should be inviting him to this forum= and encouraging him on. If I was close I'd go and say hello but I dont= think he lives near Western Australia.

I myself mad= e my maiden=C2=A0flight on Sunday. Total time 4 minuites, learnt that the p= lane handles exceponally well. Steam cleaned the inside of the cowl at 500&= #39; above the wrong end of the runway,=C2=A0all due to an absolutly stupid= mistake by the builder, so a rebuild is in order before next flight.
=

I might even tell more if I can bring myself to admitti= ng my mistake in print and know that I wont be ridiculed. I really like my = rotary engine, saved my ass.

Cheers
Andrew Martin
Lightwing SP4000
Renesis,rd1-c,ec2,em2. gt electric cs prop.
YGEL=C2=A0Western Australia


On Wednesd= ay, 8 June 2016, William Jepson <flyrotary@lancaironline.net> wrote:

True Todd, and I was rather harsh in my comment. I= think that I am sensitive as I want rotary conversions to flourish. That a= rticle isn't helpful to that.

Bill Jepson

On Jun 7, 2016 4:07 PM, "Todd Bartrim"= <flyrotary@lancaironline.net> wro= te:
Oh, there's so many things that could be said about this article, but = the most important is the next to final line.. =C2=A0 "but I've had a lot more fun and learne= d a great deal more than simply bolting on another engine."=C2=A0
That pretty m= uch fits with the rule that allows us to build for "entertainment and = educational purposes".
While building my plane was fun, it wasn't hard wi= th the very complete manual and plans that Vans supplies, but by far the mo= st fun and rewarding aspect of the project was the FWF where all design and= development was the=C2=A0responsibility=C2=A0of yours truly with the only = guidance being provided by the collective wisdom of the members of=C2=A0thi= s list.
=C2=A0 =C2=A0I don't recognize his name so I assume he was ne= ver a=C2=A0member=C2=A0of this list, but obviously a=C2=A0disciple=C2=A0of = Lamar. While it does shed a negative light on what we are doing, it likely = wouldn't=C2=A0dissuade=C2=A0a=C2=A0knowledgeable=C2=A0and=C2=A0competen= t=C2=A0builder, but will make those with questionable abilities think twice= about embarking on this journey.
<= span style=3D"line-height:23.8px">When we trivialize the challenges that we= 've overcome, we do possibly create unrealistic expectations for others= .

Todd
C-FSTB
<= font face=3D"Helvetica Neue, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif">RV9 13Bturbo

Todd Bartrim

On Tue, Jun 7, 2016 at 2:13 PM, ARGOLDMAN <flyrotary@lancaironline.= net> wrote:
And the re builder
=C2=A0
Rich
=C2=A0
In a message dated 6/7/2016 12:16:25 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,=20 flyrotary@lancaironline.net writes:
This single article does more to damage the reputation o= f the=20 rotary engine, as well as auto conversions in general, than all the posit= ive=20 articles combined have done to promote the use.=C2=A0

http://www.kitp= lanes.com/issues/31_9/builder_spotlight/building_rotary_engine_21069-1.html=


...when in reality, it proves the incompetence of the builder.

Pat



--
Regards
Andrew Martin
Martin = Ag
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