X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com From: "William Jepson" Received: from mail-vk0-f49.google.com ([209.85.213.49] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.1.10) with ESMTPS id 8712297 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Tue, 07 Jun 2016 19:18:52 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=209.85.213.49; envelope-from=wrjjrs@gmail.com Received: by mail-vk0-f49.google.com with SMTP id g67so2508188vkb.3 for ; Tue, 07 Jun 2016 16:18:53 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to; bh=h8uF4dsxX40G3oQwtoOQuYgiknh1rN2GAUPQp9H7Cug=; b=vUcltR0a/Tbe6VlFjKisqUkkM4buerjCA1NkPBsjP8/RbOSP0jbbMfzpcWF6AvzyJT mwgStqsnQgVM7WTvU5zi0KvRxykiVf0toVbMIKrwd8GToQ4ytAKD1ma2bTxptwbhKFeg qbPhVi1KkdRQZC4e81LH06GpjflC0s3nUfGX5XPa3ppRj2knG3fJffQsO7WbCgRbkgtz 7ne4ELrPkCH3+qUtjY4oGKhM6KcLHtNb3IPady8Of90y/xwOqN6fvpQClGGVIpvsw3Kz krMUVlOsM27cj9kAUL3ySIk70360DNQHXggt1ghUHoeJJnVsIHoCu5qFHAYRPybPh/4I Qn8Q== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to; bh=h8uF4dsxX40G3oQwtoOQuYgiknh1rN2GAUPQp9H7Cug=; b=M3/vBJ4WGGYaPLCU09QMmntfKPns8JI91Hcakuib+i2FKBuXrq2s7uee0aAbd/wjAN SFgXMjCR9SNt7USaOApLU/Yi0HGp1DkvquID9Wku6ZSe5002zlpBm1R+z75kmgjBw5/0 I1mrnkckCIN5a+AzTD4nOlgWlmQFilbrWtdLLSVFVEncvUjTHjqVeO5yAI/1plawefju jEGlQFY9/J5lELmxYTU1TMgJcsicODAqujbTZf8z0IQf9NpxvysprMGOWQ7FZ8BjHdSz 7ZI/4lvFTr2YCfZkdn7/nklNSuB7eYXle92n3CG9suzfGM6Ab9tD8pPj4UVy/kDTCVIv YcBA== X-Gm-Message-State: ALyK8tLCLiK1go/Aq+rJlkiggI8uf0DIfoLexhxXT5nMHqaAxPyXmbD7c0atRuA7pXKUJ2L0+96viL/VyrQHIA== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.31.72.66 with SMTP id v63mr905722vka.29.1465341512348; Tue, 07 Jun 2016 16:18:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.103.9.69 with HTTP; Tue, 7 Jun 2016 16:18:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.103.9.69 with HTTP; Tue, 7 Jun 2016 16:18:32 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2016 16:18:32 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: What a load!! To: Rotary motors in aircraft Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a114e00545176c90534b86827 --001a114e00545176c90534b86827 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 True Todd, and I was rather harsh in my comment. I think that I am sensitive as I want rotary conversions to flourish. That article isn't helpful to that. Bill Jepson On Jun 7, 2016 4:07 PM, "Todd Bartrim" wrote: > Oh, there's so many things that could be said about this article, but the > most important is the next to final line.. "but I've had a lot more fun > and learned a great deal more than simply bolting on another engine." > That pretty much fits with the rule that allows us to build for > "entertainment and educational purposes". > While building my plane was fun, it wasn't hard with the very complete > manual and plans that Vans supplies, but by far the most fun and rewarding > aspect of the project was the FWF where all design and development was > the responsibility of yours truly with the only guidance being provided by > the collective wisdom of the members of this list. > I don't recognize his name so I assume he was never a member of this > list, but obviously a disciple of Lamar. While it does shed a negative > light on what we are doing, it likely > wouldn't dissuade a knowledgeable and competent builder, but will make > those with questionable abilities think twice about embarking on this > journey. > When we trivialize the challenges that we've overcome, we do possibly > create unrealistic expectations for others. > > Todd > C-FSTB > RV9 13Bturbo > > Todd Bartrim > > On Tue, Jun 7, 2016 at 2:13 PM, ARGOLDMAN > wrote: > >> And the re builder >> >> Rich >> >> In a message dated 6/7/2016 12:16:25 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, >> flyrotary@lancaironline.net writes: >> >> This single article does more to damage the reputation of the rotary >> engine, as well as auto conversions in general, than all the positive >> articles combined have done to promote the use. >> >> >> http://www.kitplanes.com/issues/31_9/builder_spotlight/building_rotary_engine_21069-1.html >> >> >> ...when in reality, it proves the incompetence of the builder. >> >> Pat >> >> > --001a114e00545176c90534b86827 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

True Todd, and I was rather harsh in my comment. I think tha= t I am sensitive as I want rotary conversions to flourish. That article isn= 't helpful to that.

Bill Jepson

On Jun 7, 2016 4:07 PM, "Todd Bartrim"= <flyrotary@lancaironline= .net> wrote:
=
Oh, there's so many things that could be said about th= is article, but the most important is the next to final line.. =C2=A0 "but I've had a lot mor= e fun and learned a great deal more than simply bolting on another engine.&= quot;=C2=A0
That pretty much fits with the rule that allows us to build for "en= tertainment and educational purposes".
While building my plane was fun, it wa= sn't hard with the very complete manual and plans that Vans supplies, b= ut by far the most fun and rewarding aspect of the project was the FWF wher= e all design and development was the=C2=A0responsibility=C2=A0of yours trul= y with the only guidance being provided by the collective wisdom of the mem= bers of=C2=A0this list.
=C2=A0 =C2=A0I don't recognize his name so I as= sume he was never a=C2=A0member=C2=A0of this list, but obviously a=C2=A0dis= ciple=C2=A0of Lamar. While it does shed a negative light on what we are doi= ng, it likely wouldn't=C2=A0dissuade=C2=A0a=C2=A0knowledgeable=C2=A0and= =C2=A0competent=C2=A0builder, but will make those with questionable abiliti= es think twice about embarking on this journey.
<= div>When we trivialize the chal= lenges that we've overcome, we do possibly create unrealistic expectati= ons for others.

Todd
C-FSTB
RV9 13Bturbo

Todd Bartrim

On Tue, Jun 7, 2016 at 2:13 PM, ARGOLDMAN <flyrotary@lancaironline.net> wrote:
And the re builder
=C2=A0
Rich
=C2=A0
In a message dated 6/7/2016 12:16:25 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,=20 flyrotary@= lancaironline.net writes:
This single article does more to damage the reputation o= f the=20 rotary engine, as well as auto conversions in general, than all the posit= ive=20 articles combined have done to promote the use.=C2=A0

http://www.kitp= lanes.com/issues/31_9/builder_spotlight/building_rotary_engine_21069-1.html=


...when in reality, it proves the incompetence of the builder.

Pat

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