X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com From: "Todd Bartrim" Received: from mail-oi0-f47.google.com ([209.85.218.47] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.1.10) with ESMTPS id 8712177 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Tue, 07 Jun 2016 18:16:50 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=209.85.218.47; envelope-from=bartrim@gmail.com Received: by mail-oi0-f47.google.com with SMTP id p204so104328919oih.3 for ; Tue, 07 Jun 2016 15:16:51 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=m/7xXKgZO5RqAapV0V1l2ZoH96hvWtoy2ljan6XwxVo=; b=Zm0Qj5qTght9IUjx163OfPZm0rnj1FGU1LogJERisvz227DWkgD9xsu7fq4cogv+z6 iZWWQzWCCk5kgrz/PXRa/rnH5MKGPGOwUstTbd8+jdslYMzRlHYSDs5a066tjTjkGgTQ PDmnNtSutpq/hp0XTXnxGMDlMd4jXzkdCJoJIaXb0QMurd2Lv3I0YBQwjMTq5i2driYQ oMjYrkOP5vpFfXFfQse+q5yDM2+5c+OWP0A4nMZgmblXRb7y9CWhrZL8bGewZBC5oB39 HryLq7D0cYpU7i6FAhDjNH8Y4LsFo4BUSsFnzNAb8saxLC16N+69UFTQJ/9vla8rt3cv 5oxg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=m/7xXKgZO5RqAapV0V1l2ZoH96hvWtoy2ljan6XwxVo=; b=J1sI4T6LszU/q8/pmllY7O5WYvEF97TAdfj4wrCuAOZUdmsv6e0VZYas3hc3Vcr/cO O72czVwVgPfxR/4z5lUn0VMowfwRGgUjKSkIp8zt+1M8Kucimqxw697lBLTBNVf2wJWj 7xGJ3JMdlrehZwB4ETk1AtrWktsUNroip1G1N9coxTDVxP/bn1tsDzsZoACF6WJQtc6U R2mdpvE/cGefibyPqq7M9IXoD/6YokMBc8v9/cMhSCBJp3yRVJjAbFqXGCLNDs843IDA BO5ikM0Dy8ERMUDsR0YwP6d1WDkFwdgm3kCpYwx2V0TvRA0o9MN399x43gOVw487b8t5 2RGQ== X-Gm-Message-State: ALyK8tLga7+NnMHDoQa9j21p/+sGq9E9H74GODFjO/lJFJpzGVcSkPxquQMigjyJzgr2kWAGG19zsYvEJg29dA== X-Received: by 10.157.35.200 with SMTP id t66mr1170085otb.98.1465337794605; Tue, 07 Jun 2016 15:16:34 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.157.56.169 with HTTP; Tue, 7 Jun 2016 15:16:33 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2016 15:16:33 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: What a load!! To: Rotary motors in aircraft Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a11492ffeb939bf0534b78a67 --001a11492ffeb939bf0534b78a67 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Oh, there's so many things that could be said about this article, but the most important is the next to final line.. "but I've had a lot more fun and learned a great deal more than simply bolting on another engine." That pretty much fits with the rule that allows us to build for "entertainment and educational purposes". While building my plane was fun, it wasn't hard with the very complete manual and plans that Vans supplies, but by far the most fun and rewarding aspect of the project was the FWF where all design and development was the responsibility of yours truly with the only guidance being provided by the collective wisdom of the members of this list. I don't recognize his name so I assume he was never a member of this list, but obviously a disciple of Lamar. While it does shed a negative light on what we are doing, it likely wouldn't dissuade a knowledgeable and competent builder, but will make those with questionable abilities think twice about embarking on this journey. When we trivialize the challenges that we've overcome, we do possibly create unrealistic expectations for others. Todd C-FSTB RV9 13Bturbo Todd Bartrim On Tue, Jun 7, 2016 at 2:13 PM, ARGOLDMAN wrote: > And the re builder > > Rich > > In a message dated 6/7/2016 12:16:25 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, > flyrotary@lancaironline.net writes: > > This single article does more to damage the reputation of the rotary > engine, as well as auto conversions in general, than all the positive > articles combined have done to promote the use. > > > http://www.kitplanes.com/issues/31_9/builder_spotlight/building_rotary_engine_21069-1.html > > > ...when in reality, it proves the incompetence of the builder. > > Pat > > --001a11492ffeb939bf0534b78a67 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Oh, there's so many things that could be said about th= is article, but the most important is the next to final line.. =C2=A0 "but I've had a lot mor= e fun and learned a great deal more than simply bolting on another engine.&= quot;=C2=A0
That pretty much fits with the rule that allows us to build for "en= tertainment and educational purposes".
While building my plane was fun, it wa= sn't hard with the very complete manual and plans that Vans supplies, b= ut by far the most fun and rewarding aspect of the project was the FWF wher= e all design and development was the=C2=A0responsibility=C2=A0of yours trul= y with the only guidance being provided by the collective wisdom of the mem= bers of=C2=A0this list.
=C2=A0 =C2=A0I don't recognize his name so I as= sume he was never a=C2=A0member=C2=A0of this list, but obviously a=C2=A0dis= ciple=C2=A0of Lamar. While it does shed a negative light on what we are doi= ng, it likely wouldn't=C2=A0dissuade=C2=A0a=C2=A0knowledgeable=C2=A0and= =C2=A0competent=C2=A0builder, but will make those with questionable abiliti= es think twice about embarking on this journey.
<= div>When we trivialize the chal= lenges that we've overcome, we do possibly create unrealistic expectati= ons for others.

Todd
C-FSTB
RV9 13Bturbo

Todd Bartrim

On Tue, Jun 7, 2016 at 2:13 PM, ARGOLDMAN <flyrotary@lancaironline.net> wrote:
And the re builder
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Rich
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In a message dated 6/7/2016 12:16:25 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,=20 flyrotary@= lancaironline.net writes:
This single article does more to damage the reputation o= f the=20 rotary engine, as well as auto conversions in general, than all the posit= ive=20 articles combined have done to promote the use.=C2=A0

http://www.kitp= lanes.com/issues/31_9/builder_spotlight/building_rotary_engine_21069-1.html=


...when in reality, it proves the incompetence of the builder.

Pat

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