X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com From: Received: from oms-m011e.mx.aol.com ([204.29.186.107] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.1.8) with ESMTPS id 8390665 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Mon, 08 Feb 2016 11:30:03 -0500 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=204.29.186.107; envelope-from=ARGOLDMAN@aol.com Received: from omr-m003e.mx.aol.com (omr-m003.mx.aol.com [10.74.126.131]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by oms-m011e.mx.aol.com (AOL Outbound OMS Interface) with ESMTPS id 986A13800B96 for ; Mon, 8 Feb 2016 11:29:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtaomg-mcd01.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-mcd01.mx.aol.com [172.26.223.207]) by omr-m003e.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 78B2038000C5 for ; Mon, 8 Feb 2016 11:29:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from core-aba03f.mail.aol.com (core-aba03.mail.aol.com [172.27.22.3]) by mtaomg-mcd01.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 0BFC138000085 for ; Mon, 8 Feb 2016 11:29:44 -0500 (EST) Full-name: ARGOLDMAN Message-ID: <795c41.6fd6b0f9.43ea1c77@aol.com> Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2016 11:29:43 -0500 Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: [Flyrotary] Re: Testing To: flyrotary@lancaironline.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_795c41.6fd6b0f9.43ea1c77_boundary" X-Mailer: Unknown sub 2019 X-Originating-IP: [50.151.84.32] x-aol-global-disposition: S X-SPAM-FLAG: YES DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=mx.aol.com; s=20150623; t=1454948984; bh=HuvYKT4STTVCGhRSwZBXq4uDEwD2+m1PCdkHZvtLpPk=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=pG/VIKYqrNILKT3QYDFCluwnxi3xSF1pOkGDVm6DXuPYPgXWvX8nX7w7gl9Klxpym L5HkXzDPdMxdNznKD+/rmE2qzhAcIwhOrSn3NjFTacG9+o30d1JWmfNyZ5dS7rTPRi Tx0bribDz4Xy9G1agDfXJa9SUMhNUR18a3Qsbx4Q= X-AOL-REROUTE: YES x-aol-sid: 3039ac1adfcf56b8c2783239 --part1_795c41.6fd6b0f9.43ea1c77_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Language: en An additional supplier (and one that has been around for at least 15 years= )=20 is=20 Airmaster. They are always at OSH and predated most of the others =20 available. They are also located in New Zealand =20 I used one on my dragonfly, uses Warp drive blades (3) and I was very happ= y=20 with it. It is constant speed) (range about 120HP) I had an adaptor made for the unit in that the hub= is=20 designed for a=20 rotax but the adaptor made it mate with My Norton Rotary (midwest) well.= (I=20 think it was an SAE 1 or 2) It is an AP308. I have it for sale. if anybody is interested send me an = =20 e-mail and I will give them the real skinney. =20 Rich =20 =20 In a message dated 2/7/2016 8:26:37 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, =20 flyrotary@lancaironline.net writes: Hi Charlie =20 I bought the Prop second hand and the company has now been sold. The new company who took over Aerotek is now producing props and hubs is= =20 SprintAero _http://www.sprintaero.com_ (http://www.sprintaero.com/)=20 Cheers Steve Izett =20 =20 On 8 Feb 2016, at 11:48 AM, Charlie England <_flyrotary@lancaironline.net_= =20 (mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net) > wrote: =20 I'd love to hear more about the prop. Google couldn't seem to help me whe= n=20 I searched for it; is there a web site showing the specs? Charlie On 2/7/2016 5:42 PM, Stephen Izett wrote: Hi Bobby =20 At this stage the prop is not constant speed, just adjustable. So I could do I similar thing. Choose an Rpm. Why was the 2100 RPM at the prop chosen? Did you determine this to provid= e=20 Our EM3 RPM reading issue appears to be related to inj #1 signal as the= =20 reading goes intermittent and low (from memory ~ 800 RPM) and the Skyview= =20 suffering the same. Steve On 8 Feb 2016, at 3:14 AM, Bobby J. Hughes <_flyrotary@lancaironline.net_= =20 (mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net) > wrote: =20 Steve, Does your prop have a constant speed controller or is it strictly manual= =20 operated? One or possibly two folks flying MT electric constant speed =20 controllers have reported an rpm difference between the selected prop rpm= and=20 the actual engine rpm. Mine is very close. =20 Has anyone else had the EM3 read rpm incorrectly at high RPM?- My EM3=20 screen sometimes shows the correct rpm and then NOP and alternates every= second=20 or so. Reducing rpm seems to correct the issue. I suspect it=E2=80=99s no= ise on=20 the serial circuit. I plan to replace the serial wiring with shield wire= next=20 time I have the panel out. My AFS EM show correct rpm at all times and it= =20 reads the same injector pulse.=20 =20 One other thought regarding tuning for 7500 rpm. Initially I had a lot of= =20 trouble tuning with the constant speed electric prop. Tracy recommend I = =20 run up full power, adjust the prop for 2100 rpm, lock it in manual mode= and=20 tune at this condition. This made tuning easier since I wasn=E2=80=99t ch= asing the=20 changing prop loads. If your prop controller is manual only then you may= =20 not encounter the same difficulties.=20 =20 =20 Bobby =20 =20 =20 From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net]=20 Sent: Sunday, February 07, 2016 9:58 AM To: Rotary motors in aircraft Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Testing =20 Hi Bobby =20 It's an Electric 3 blade Aerotek from New Zealand. =20 Steve =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 On 7 Feb 2016, at 10:31 PM, Bobby J. Hughes <_flyrotary@lancaironline.net= _=20 (mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net) > wrote: =20 =20 =20 Steve, =20 =20 What prop do you have?=20 =20 =20 Bobby =20 =20 =20 =20 From: Rotary motors in aircraft [ (mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net)=20 mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net]=20 Sent: Saturday, February 06, 2016 4:14 AM To: Rotary motors in aircraft Subject: [FlyRotary] Testing =20 =20 Hi Guys =20 =20 =20 =20 In order to extend ground testing and tuning of the engine in 35+C (95+F)= =20 I rigged some water spray onto the water exchanger. =20 =20 Water temps now stay below 150F even at high load, and to my surprise Oil= =20 temps stayed below 180F (I thought I might have to spray water on the Oil= =20 Exchanger but not required) =20 =20 =20 =20 I reduced the pitch of the prop to allow a static rpm of approaching =20 7500rpm and without much missing she spun up OK. =20 =20 I feel like Im starting to get familiar with the EC2 now and between MOD= E=20 2 and 3 and just manual mixture adjustments she runs from idle to 7+K=20 alright. =20 =20 =20 =20 One observation is that at around 6-7K RPM both the Dynon Skyview as well= =20 as the EM3 fail to read the RPM correctly. =20 =20 Now they are both taking their sensing from Injector 1.=20 =20 =20 The EC2 of course gets its trigger signal from the Renesis CAS=E2=80=99s= (main and=20 backup) and there is a mod on the back of the EC2 board that I took was= =20 conditioning of the CAS signals. =20 =20 Has anyone else had the EM3 read rpm incorrectly at high RPM? =20 =20 =20 =20 After balancing our prop, I=E2=80=99m hoping to begin playing with the EC= 2=E2=80=99s =20 closed loop mode, and then Timing with new BR10EIX plugs. =20 =20 =20 =20 Thanks again Tracy for your gearbox and EC. =20 =20 =20 =20 Cheers =20 =20 Steve Izett =3D --part1_795c41.6fd6b0f9.43ea1c77_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Language: en
An additional supplier (and one that has been around for at least 15= years)=20 is
Airmaster. They are always at OSH and predated most of the others=20 available. They are also located in New Zealand
 
I used one on my dragonfly, uses Warp drive blades (3) and I was very= happy=20 with it. It is constant speed)
 (range about 120HP) I had an adaptor made for the unit in that= the=20 hub is designed for a
rotax but the adaptor made it mate with My Norton Rotary (midwest) we= ll. (I=20 think it was an SAE 1 or 2)
It is an AP308. I have it for sale. if anybody is interested send me= an=20 e-mail and I will give them the real skinney.
 
Rich
 
In a message dated 2/7/2016 8:26:37 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,=20 flyrotary@lancaironline.net writes:
Hi=20 Charlie=20
I bought the Prop second hand and the company has now been sold.
The new company who took over Aerotek is now producing props and hu= bs is=20 SprintAero http://www.sprintaero.com

Cheers

Steve Izett
On 8 Feb 2016, at 11:48 AM, Charlie England <flyrotary@lancaironline.ne= t>=20 wrote:

I'd love to hear more about the prop. Goo= gle=20 couldn't seem to help me when I searched for it; is there a web site= showing=20 the specs?

Charlie


On 2/7/2016 5:42 PM, Stephen Izet= t=20 wrote:
Hi Bobby= =20
At this stage the prop is not constant speed, just adjustable.<= /DIV>
So I could do I similar thing. Choose an Rpm.
Why was the 2100 RPM at the prop chosen? Did you determine this= to=20 provide 

Our EM3 RPM reading issue appears to be related to inj #1 signa= l as=20 the reading goes intermittent and low (from memory ~ 800 RPM) and th= e=20 Skyview suffering the same.

Steve




On 8 Feb 2016, at 3:14 AM, Bobby J. Hughes <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>=20 wrote:

Steve, Does=20 your prop have a constant speed controller or is it strictly manua= l=20 operated? One or possibly two folks flying MT electric constant sp= eed=20 controllers have reported an rpm difference between the selected= prop=20 rpm and the actual engine rpm. Mine is very=20 close.
  Has=20 anyone else had the EM3 read rpm incorrectly at high RPM?- My EM3 screen sometimes shows the co= rrect=20 rpm and then NOP and alternates every second or so. Reducing rpm= seems=20 to correct the issue. I suspect it=E2=80=99s noise on the serial= circuit. I plan=20 to replace the serial wiring with shield wire next time I have the= panel=20 out. My AFS EM show correct rpm at all times and it reads the same= =20 injector pulse.    One=20 other thought regarding tuning for 7500 rpm. Initially I had a lot= of=20 trouble tuning with the constant speed electric prop. Tracy recomm= end I=20 run up full power,  adjust the prop for 2100 rpm, lock it in= manual=20 mode and tune at this condition. This made tuning easier since I= wasn=E2=80=99t=20 chasing the changing prop loads. If your prop controller is manual= only=20 then you may not encounter the same difficulties.   
  Bobby  
From: Rotary motors in aircra= ft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] 
Sent: Sunday, February 07, 20= 16 9:58=20 AM
To: R= otary=20 motors in aircraft
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re:=20 Testing
 
Hi=20 Bobby
It's=20 an Electric  3 blade Aerotek from New=20 Zealand.
Steve
 
 
 
 
On=20 7 Feb 2016, at 10:31 PM, Bobby J. Hughes <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>=20 wrote:
 
Steve,
 
What=20 prop do you have? 
 
Bobby
 
From:=  = ;Rotar= y motors=20 in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lan= caironline.net] 
Sent: Saturday, February 06= , 2016=20 4:14 AM
To: Rotary motors in=20 aircraft
Subject: [FlyRotary]=20 Testing
 
Hi=20 Guys
 =
In=20 order to extend ground testing and tuning of the engine in 35+C= (95+F)=20 I rigged some water spray onto the water=20 exchanger.
Water=20 temps now stay below 150F even at high load, and to my surprise= Oil=20 temps stayed below 180F (I thought I might have to spray water= on the=20 Oil Exchanger but not required)
 =
I=20 reduced the pitch of the prop to allow a static rpm of approachi= ng=20 7500rpm and without much missing she spun up=20 OK.
I=20 feel like Im starting to get familiar with the EC2 now and betwe= en=20 MODE 2 and 3 and just manual mixture adjustments she runs from= idle to=20 7+K alright.
 =
One=20 observation is that at around 6-7K RPM both the Dynon Skyview as= well=20 as the EM3 fail to read the RPM=20 correctly.
Now=20 they are both taking their sensing from Injector=20 1. 
The=20 EC2 of course gets its trigger signal from the Renesis CAS=E2=80= =99s (main and=20 backup) and there is a mod on the back of the EC2 board that I= took=20 was conditioning of the CAS signals.
Has=20 anyone else had the EM3 read rpm incorrectly at high=20 RPM?
 =
After=20 balancing our prop, I=E2=80=99m hoping to begin playing with&nbs= p;the EC2=E2=80=99s=20 closed loop mode, and then Timing with new BR10EIX=20 plugs.
 =
Thanks again=20 Tracy for your gearbox and EC.
 =
Cheers
Steve=20 Izett



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