Mailing List flyrotary@lancaironline.net Message #6186
From: David Carter <dcarter@datarecall.net>
Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: aluminum hose bungs/fittings
Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2004 12:09:09 -0600
To: Rotary motors in aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Lynn,

Ref the e-mail below, what size OD or ID tube/fitting did you weld to the
A/C core?  I have my cores and, despite most others using existing tubing on
cores, I prefer 1" or more - I want "max flow".  I DON'T want to limit my
system from the outset by using fittings that are way below what is on the
car.

What do you think is the biggest I could weld on to a GM/Harrison core?

I might as well admit - I can't yet visualize all you described below -
could you give an overview of 'what you wanted to weld on' and what you were
cutting off?  Then I can figure out the rest from the e-mail.

David Carter

----- Original Message ----- From: <Lehanover@aol.com>
To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Sent: Monday, December 29, 2003 10:03 AM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: aluminum hose bungs/fittings


In a message dated 12/29/2003 8:52:56 AM Central Standard Time,
13brv3@bellsouth.net writes:

<< BTW, I still haven't officially decided if I want to use AN hose, or
just
 good quality "heater hose".   I'll certainly keep AN hose for oil, but I
 think heater hose is probably fine for water, especially with all my
 possible plumbing methods.

 Thanks,
 Rusty (evap cores temporarily in place)

  >>

I once added a core as additional cooling on a GTP Jr Lola. The dash 16
hose
end took up too much room and was too heavy. So, I made up two short pipes
in
6061-0 to weld to the core. I cut two shallow grooves in the hose area so
as
to get a good grip. Then used two 1/4" hose clamps. One over each groove
for
redundancy. The connection was made with a formed 90 piece of hose I found
at
NAPA. It was about 1" inside and dirt cheap. For aircraft I would use the
blue
silicone stuff. Pricey but great performance. Much lighter and more
compact.

People that repair auto air conditioning often have cores that are faulty.
Get a couple of these, or off of the core pile at the wrecking yard. That
is
just aluminum parts to get melted. These are damaged and useless as parts,
but
are generally sold for the price of scrap aluminum.

I clamped the cores between two pieces of 3/4" plywood lined with sheets
of
1/4" filter foam. One piece of plywood was longer than the other so as to
work
as a handle to clamp in the vice. Mine won't open far enough to grip
everything together.

Then Saw off the fittings with the core inverted. Drill a hole through a
piece of 3/4" plywood with a hole saw. Clamp that piece of 3/4" plywood
across the
area where you want the fitting hole and fasten that piece of plywood to
the
clamping sheets with drywall screws. Drill through the plywood and into
the
land area on the core. The plywood will guide the hole saw.

Slip the hose of a shop vac over the other end fitting on the core and
blow
air into the core while you drill into the core. You do the same on both
ends.
Not a flake of aluminum will end up inside the core. Then debur the holes
inside and out. Running the shop vac the whole time. And holding the core
inverted
the whole time.

If you make the fittings from scratch, you can leave a little welding
flange
on the one end. Also, radius both inside ends to improve flow.

Wrap the end of the core with a few layers of soaking wet towel while
welding
on the fittings.

Practice on the junk cores. Get good at it.

The cores will have oil in them that circulates in the system to lubricate
the compressor. Let them drain for a few days and the rinse them out with
ketone
or similar and then soap and water. Blow it out to get it as dry as
possible
before welding. If you short cut this step, be aware that the jet of
orange
oil vapor flame that shoots out of the proposed fitting holes is about a
foot
long and will blow your welding helmet clean off of your head.

These things work well for water or oil cooling. They are tough as nails.
(the GM stuff). If you have room, you can cut one side off of a bulkhead
fitting
and use the hex as a welding flange. Better for oil cooling where the
fittings
hose ends are going to be heavy anyway. For water service, the AN fittings
and hose ends will be too big (dash 16 or 20) and too heavy.

Mount the core in foam lined brackets. Don't let anything rub against them
(but a foam seal strip).

Lynn E. Hanover



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