X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com From: Received: from resqmta-ch2-03v.sys.comcast.net ([69.252.207.35] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.1.2) with ESMTPS id 7685013 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Mon, 11 May 2015 13:54:19 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=69.252.207.35; envelope-from=hoursaway1@comcast.net Received: from resomta-ch2-13v.sys.comcast.net ([69.252.207.109]) by resqmta-ch2-03v.sys.comcast.net with comcast id Shtd1q0042N9P4d01htn8U; Mon, 11 May 2015 17:53:47 +0000 Received: from resmail-ch2-632v.sys.comcast.net ([162.150.50.156]) by resomta-ch2-13v.sys.comcast.net with comcast id Shtm1q00H3NCDde01htmsF; Mon, 11 May 2015 17:53:46 +0000 Date: Mon, 11 May 2015 17:53:46 +0000 (UTC) To: "Fly rotary blog, e-mail" Message-ID: <549864377.3881417.1431366826536.JavaMail.zimbra@comcast.net> In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Fwd: [Questions / Comments] Heat shield fabric MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_3881416_777404675.1431366826535" X-Originating-IP: [::ffff:24.127.211.224] X-Mailer: Zimbra 8.0.7_GA_6031 (ZimbraWebClient - IE7 (Win)/8.0.7_GA_6031) Thread-Topic: Heat shield fabric Thread-Index: pH8IsKtC0OoSzPhTYZtKsJHTQ7UkFA== DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=comcast.net; s=q20140121; t=1431366827; bh=+vIYChztbzlVMOlFKVYSe2j6+kDGvQRTFtGvWARDbBk=; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Message-ID:Subject:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=hWhYB07+kztjSJQymkNzZi50Rs9QjNjSN2eAYhGDg9+tZxI0Wh21GJMd44L+ApG9w EoDj8/GtcVK2sgcLU7MiR0QMPqnw9I63f5gHIXGUEau07DHzhaMjqZWOjvU1rByfyB 4HcDN2HRaGT/U1PdYRCqUmykHjxUIe4SbLn9wA7FxuW7Ck7CIo5VNe1q02yjW9lzB4 mBdZvPojuU5zsf+TgL31QswziFAguwi3bzuoVzWyWAsnpj0Ei1/aMAOzB/qwTVdcg1 4qwbYCGr50AK+PAMgpe62iDYqSabpYig+lFswFp9rvy2JqKhd4dzXAhkNYreMaUTAo uy6zFZ/aK83/g== ------=_Part_3881416_777404675.1431366826535 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ceramic coatings inside & outside of exhaust pipes works very well to keep = the heat moving out the pipe.=C2=A0 David R. Cook=C2=A0 RV6A=C2=A0 Rotary= =20 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joseph Berki" =20 To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" =20 Sent: Monday, May 11, 2015 1:22:31 PM=20 Subject: [FlyRotary] Fwd: [Questions / Comments] Heat shield fabric=20 Paul,=20 I was looking into the possibility of building a fabric heat shield in plac= e of the metal one that is currently 90% complete due to the lack of space.= =20 Below is a string of emails that provided the information.=20 I do not want to wrap pipes as the Velocity went down do to pipe failure.= =C2=A0=20 Joe Berki=20 Begin forwarded message:=20 From: Dan Stark < dans@designengineering.com >=20 Subject: RE: [Questions / Comments] Heat shield fabric=20 Date: May 11, 2015 at 10:21:58 AM EDT=20 To: Joseph Berki < jskmberki@windstream.net >=20 Joseph,=20 Would this work for you- =C2=A0 http://www.designengineering.com/category/c= atalog/design-engineering-inc/exhaust-wraps-accessories/titanium-pipe-shiel= d =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0They may not be wide enough for you but if it is someth= ing that could work, it is already constructed so you do not have to do the= labor.=20 It should hold up at that distance but with that type of temperature you wo= uld want to make sure that you don't disturb the shield after it sees heat = cycles. =C2=A0That level of temperature could crystalize the fabric. =C2=A0= It will still insulate but if the fibers are disturbed, they may break down= .=20 We do have 8'' wide exhaust wrap that you could use to easily sew a shield = together, but the same thing would happen. =C2=A0Over time the heat would c= rystalize it. =C2=A0Since you have a good air gap, you could mount our Floo= r and Tunnel to the inside of your shield. =C2=A0You would need to make sur= e the mounting points are on something cooler, like the block, but the mate= rial should hold up. =C2=A0If you mount it to the exhaust, the heat would t= ransfer to the shield and it may harm the adhesive.=20 https://www.designengineering.com//category/catalog/design-engineering-inc/= heat-sound-barrier/floor-tunnel-shield-ii-heat-sound-insulat=20 If you have any other ideas I can help out. =C2=A0Just let me know what you= think-=20 Dan Stark=20 Customer Service Representative=20 DanS@designengineering.com=20 http://www.designengineering.com/=20 Design Engineering, Inc.=20 604 Moore Road=20 Avon Lake, Ohio 44012=20 800.264.9472=20 440.930.7967 Fax=20 www.DesignEngineering.com=20 CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail message and any attachments are only fo= r the use of the intended recipient and may contain information that is pri= vileged, confidential or exempt from disclosure under applicable law.=20 If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, distribution or othe= r use of the e-mail message or attachments is prohibited. If you have recei= ved this e-mail message in error, please delete and notify the sender immed= iately. Thank you.=20 -----Original Message-----=20 From: Joseph Berki [mailto:jskmberki@windstream.net]=20 Sent: Saturday, May 09, 2015 3:44 AM=20 To: Dan Stark=20 Subject: Re: [Questions / Comments] Heat shield fabric=20 Dan,=20 I am trying to build a heat shield for SS headers on a Mazda P port rotary.= =20 At full power the header will glow. =C2=A01800 degrees is the exhaust temp.= =20 I need something that can take what ever the temp might be when positioned = 1 inch or so away from the header.=20 I have a metal shield but space is at a minimum and I thought something fle= xible might work.=20 Another thought instead of sewing would be to pop rivet it at specific plac= es using captured washers for support.=20 Thanks for any help=20 Joe Berki=20
On May 8, 2015, at 3:32 PM, Dan Stark wrote:= =20 Hello,=20 What material are you mainly interested in? =C2=A0=C2=A0=20 Dan Stark=20 Customer Service Representative=20 DanS@designengineering.com=20 http://www.designengineering.com/=20 Design Engineering, Inc.=20 604 Moore Road=20 Avon Lake, Ohio 44012=20 800.264.9472=20 440.930.7967 Fax=20 www.DesignEngineering.com=20 CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail message and any attachments are only fo= r the use of the intended recipient and may contain information that is pri= vileged, confidential or exempt from disclosure under applicable law.=20 If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, distribution or othe= r use of the e-mail message or attachments is prohibited. If you have recei= ved this e-mail message in error, please delete and notify the sender immed= iately. Thank you.=20 -----Original Message-----=20 From: Joseph Berki [mailto:jskmberki@windstream.net]=20 Sent: Friday, May 08, 2015 3:22 PM=20 To: Dan Stark=20 Subject: Re: [Questions / Comments] Heat shield fabric=20 Dan,=20 Do you have any recommendations for the type of sewing machine and thread?= =20 I would think that the thread would have to be able to withstand heat and t= he machine robust enough to handle the fabric.=20 Appreciate any help.=20 Joe Berki=20
On May 8, 2015, at 10:26 AM, Dan Stark wrote:= =20 Hello,=20 All of our materials can be sewn together with the right machine. =C2=A0=20 Please let me know if you have any other questions with anything and I can = help further. =C2=A0=C2=A0Thank you for your interest in DEI products. =C2= =A0=20 Dan Stark=20 Customer Service Representative=20 DanS@designengineering.com=20 http://www.designengineering.com/=20 Design Engineering, Inc.=20 604 Moore Road=20 Avon Lake, Ohio 44012=20 800.264.9472=20 440.930.7967 Fax=20 www.DesignEngineering.com=20 CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail message and any attachments are only fo= r the use of the intended recipient and may contain information that is pri= vileged, confidential or exempt from disclosure under applicable law.=20 If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, distribution or othe= r use of the e-mail message or attachments is prohibited. If you have recei= ved this e-mail message in error, please delete and notify the sender immed= iately. Thank you.=20 -----Original Message-----=20 From: website@designengineering.com [mailto:website@designengineering.com] = On Behalf Of Jskmberki@windstream.net=20 Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2015 7:55 PM=20 To: Dan Stark=20 Subject: [Questions / Comments] Heat shield fabric=20 Joe Berki sent a message using the contact form at https://www.designengine= ering.com//contact.=20 Can the heat shiel fabric be sewn together to create a heat shield cover.T= =20
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Ceramic coatings inside & outside = of exhaust pipes works very well to keep the heat moving out the pipe. = ; David R. Cook  RV6A  Rotary

From: "Joseph Berki" <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
To= : "Rotary motors in aircraft" <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Sent: Monday, May 11, 2015 1:22:31 PM
Subject: [FlyRotary] F= wd: [Questions / Comments] Heat shield fabric

Paul,

I was looking into the possibility of building a fabric heat shield in= place of the metal one that is currently 90% complete due to the lack of s= pace.

Below is a string of emails that provided the information.

I do not want to wrap pipes as the Velocity went down do to pipe failu= re. 

Joe Berki

Begin forwarded message:

From: Dan Stark &= lt;dans@designengineering.com>= ;
Subject: RE: [= Questions / Comments] Heat shield fabric
Date: May 11, 201= 5 at 10:21:58 AM EDT
To: Joseph Berki = <jskmberki@windstream.net>
=

Joseph,
Would this work for you-  http://www.design= engineering.com/category/catalog/design-engineering-inc/exhaust-wraps-acces= sories/titanium-pipe-shield    They may not be wide enou= gh for you but if it is something that could work, it is already constructe= d so you do not have to do the labor.

It should hold up at that distance but with that type o= f temperature you would want to make sure that you don't disturb the shield= after it sees heat cycles.  That level of temperature could crystaliz= e the fabric.  It will still insulate but if the fibers are disturbed,= they may break down.

We do have 8'' wide exhaust wrap that you could use to easily sew a shi= eld together, but the same thing would happen.  Over time the heat wou= ld crystalize it.  Since you have a good air gap, you could mount our = Floor and Tunnel to the inside of your shield.  You would need to make= sure the mounting points are on something cooler, like the block, but the = material should hold up.  If you mount it to the exhaust, the heat wou= ld transfer to the shield and it may harm the adhesive.

https://www.designengineering.com//category/catalog/design-engineerin= g-inc/heat-sound-barrier/floor-tunnel-shield-ii-heat-sound-insulat
=
If you have any other ideas I can help out. &= nbsp;Just let me know what you think-


Dan Stark
Customer Service Representative
DanS@designengineering.com
ht= tp://www.designengineering.com/



Design Engineering, Inc.604 Moore Road
Avon Lake, Ohio 44012

800.264.9472
440.930.796= 7 Fax
www.DesignEngineering.com



CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: T= his e-mail message and any attachments are only for the use of the intended= recipient and may contain information that is privileged, confidential or = exempt from disclosure under applicable law.
If you are not the intende= d recipient, any disclosure, distribution or other use of the e-mail messag= e or attachments is prohibited. If you have received this e-mail message in= error, please delete and notify the sender immediately. Thank you.

= -----Original Message-----
From: Joseph Berki [mailto:jskmberki@windstre= am.net]
Sent: Saturday, May 09, 2015 3:44 AM
To: Dan Stark
Subjec= t: Re: [Questions / Comments] Heat shield fabric

Dan,

I am tr= ying to build a heat shield for SS headers on a Mazda P port rotary.
At full power the header will glow.  1800 degrees is the exhaust temp= .

I need something that can take what ever the temp might be when po= sitioned 1 inch or so away from the header.

I have a metal shield bu= t space is at a minimum and I thought something flexible might work.
Another thought instead of sewing would be to pop rivet it at specific pla= ces using captured washers for support.

Thanks for any help

J= oe Berki
On May 8, 2015, at 3:32 PM, Dan Stark <dans@designengineerin= g.com> wrote:

Hello,
What material ar= e you mainly interested in?   



Dan Stark
Custom= er Service Representative
DanS@designengineering.com
http://www.desig= nengineering.com/



Design Engineering, Inc.
604 Moore Roa= d
Avon Lake, Ohio 44012

800.264.9472
440.930.7967 Fax
www.D= esignEngineering.com



CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail mes= sage and any attachments are only for the use of the intended recipient and= may contain information that is privileged, confidential or exempt from di= sclosure under applicable law.
If you are not the intended recipient, a= ny disclosure, distribution or other use of the e-mail message or attachmen= ts is prohibited. If you have received this e-mail message in error, please= delete and notify the sender immediately. Thank you.


-----Origi= nal Message-----
From: Joseph Berki [mailto:jskmberki@windstream.net] Sent: Friday, May 08, 2015 3:22 PM
To: Dan Stark
Subject: Re: [Ques= tions / Comments] Heat shield fabric

Dan,

Do you have any rec= ommendations for the type of sewing machine and thread?

I would thin= k that the thread would have to be able to withstand heat and the machine r= obust enough to handle the fabric.

Appreciate any help.

Joe B= erki
On May 8, 2015, at 10:26 AM, Dan Stark <dans@designengineeri= ng.com> wrote:

Hello,
All of our ma= terials can be sewn together with the right machine.  

Please l= et me know if you have any other questions with anything and I can help fur= ther.   Thank you for your interest in DEI products.  
Dan Stark
Customer Service Representative
DanS@designengineering.co= m
http://www.designengineering.com/



Design Engineering, = Inc.
604 Moore Road
Avon Lake, Ohio 44012

800.264.9472
440.= 930.7967 Fax
www.DesignEngineering.com



CONFIDENTIALITY NO= TICE: This e-mail message and any attachments are only for the use of the i= ntended recipient and may contain information that is privileged, confident= ial or exempt from disclosure under applicable law.
If you are not the = intended recipient, any disclosure, distribution or other use of the e-mail= message or attachments is prohibited. If you have received this e-mail mes= sage in error, please delete and notify the sender immediately. Thank you.<= BR>

-----Original Message-----
From: website@designengineering.co= m [mailto:website@designengineering.com] On Behalf Of Jskmberki@windstream.= net
Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2015 7:55 PM
To: Dan Stark
Subject: [Q= uestions / Comments] Heat shield fabric

Joe Berki sent a message usi= ng the contact form at https://www.designengineering.com//contact.

C= an the heat shiel fabric be sewn together to create a heat shield cover.T



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