X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com From: "Joseph Berki" Received: from pacmmta54.windstream.net ([162.39.147.220] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.1.2) with ESMTPS id 7684928 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Mon, 11 May 2015 13:23:05 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=162.39.147.220; envelope-from=jskmberki@windstream.net Received: from [192.168.254.1] ([174.130.101.176]) by pacmmta54.windstream.net with pacmmta54 id ShNX1q00Q3oM7PS01hNXRN; Mon, 11 May 2015 13:22:32 -0400 X-WS-COS: WSOB804 X-Cloudmark-Category: undefined X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=2.1 cv=WOvsABcR c=1 sm=1 tr=0 a=yIHPjg+s7SntCXKLOiURLg==:117 a=yIHPjg+s7SntCXKLOiURLg==:17 a=o2QoyYduAAAA:8 a=_F6gLXGAAAAA:8 a=iDeugQHac-ib2gBry_sA:9 a=QqrjZqrU959zaeRl:21 a=LDF1UWvM3HLsCYuj:21 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=OcsnU0vFGI8A:10 a=MMrC6C7cCtoA:10 a=Wk-8dQtagW5Yc6cs-xkA:9 a=C74FzELobo-3C4Hp:21 a=QOCnt8oVMDahVy1o:21 a=x14NtUkoSQfG3SWe:21 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0.00 X-WS-Auth: jskmberki@windstream.net Authentication-Results: pacmmta54.windstream.net ; auth=pass smtp.auth=jskmberki@windstream.net Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_CAF8618B-2113-4FBD-8FD8-AA5F79AD4DD1" Subject: Fwd: [Questions / Comments] Heat shield fabric Date: Mon, 11 May 2015 13:22:31 -0400 References: <7AA7AAF28392B349B856912A40F4521C01B76626C74D@DEISBS.dei.local> To: Rotary motors in aircraft Message-Id: <6D297A4C-4145-409C-ACC6-071D5DC0F979@windstream.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 8.2 \(2098\)) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.2098) --Apple-Mail=_CAF8618B-2113-4FBD-8FD8-AA5F79AD4DD1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Paul, I was looking into the possibility of building a fabric heat shield in = place of the metal one that is currently 90% complete due to the lack of = space. Below is a string of emails that provided the information. I do not want to wrap pipes as the Velocity went down do to pipe = failure.=20 Joe Berki > Begin forwarded message: >=20 > From: Dan Stark > Subject: RE: [Questions / Comments] Heat shield fabric > Date: May 11, 2015 at 10:21:58 AM EDT > To: Joseph Berki >=20 > Joseph, > Would this work for you- = http://www.designengineering.com/category/catalog/design-engineering-inc/e= xhaust-wraps-accessories/titanium-pipe-shield They may not be wide = enough for you but if it is something that could work, it is already = constructed so you do not have to do the labor. > =09 > It should hold up at that distance but with that type of = temperature you would want to make sure that you don't disturb the = shield after it sees heat cycles. That level of temperature could = crystalize the fabric. It will still insulate but if the fibers are = disturbed, they may break down. > =09 > We do have 8'' wide exhaust wrap that you could use to easily = sew a shield together, but the same thing would happen. Over time the = heat would crystalize it. Since you have a good air gap, you could = mount our Floor and Tunnel to the inside of your shield. You would need = to make sure the mounting points are on something cooler, like the = block, but the material should hold up. If you mount it to the exhaust, = the heat would transfer to the shield and it may harm the adhesive. >=20 > = https://www.designengineering.com//category/catalog/design-engineering-inc= /heat-sound-barrier/floor-tunnel-shield-ii-heat-sound-insulat=20 >=20 > If you have any other ideas I can help out. Just let me know = what you think- =09 > =09 >=20 > Dan Stark > Customer Service Representative > DanS@designengineering.com > http://www.designengineering.com/=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > Design Engineering, Inc. > 604 Moore Road > Avon Lake, Ohio 44012 >=20 > 800.264.9472 > 440.930.7967 Fax > www.DesignEngineering.com >=20 >=20 >=20 > CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail message and any attachments are = only for the use of the intended recipient and may contain information = that is privileged, confidential or exempt from disclosure under = applicable law.=20 > If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, distribution or = other use of the e-mail message or attachments is prohibited. If you = have received this e-mail message in error, please delete and notify the = sender immediately. Thank you. >=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: Joseph Berki [mailto:jskmberki@windstream.net]=20 > Sent: Saturday, May 09, 2015 3:44 AM > To: Dan Stark > Subject: Re: [Questions / Comments] Heat shield fabric >=20 > Dan, >=20 > I am trying to build a heat shield for SS headers on a Mazda P port = rotary. >=20 > At full power the header will glow. 1800 degrees is the exhaust temp. >=20 > I need something that can take what ever the temp might be when = positioned 1 inch or so away from the header. >=20 > I have a metal shield but space is at a minimum and I thought = something flexible might work. >=20 > Another thought instead of sewing would be to pop rivet it at specific = places using captured washers for support. >=20 > Thanks for any help >=20 > Joe Berki >> On May 8, 2015, at 3:32 PM, Dan Stark = wrote: >>=20 >> Hello, >> What material are you mainly interested in? =20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> Dan Stark >> Customer Service Representative >> DanS@designengineering.com >> http://www.designengineering.com/=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> Design Engineering, Inc. >> 604 Moore Road >> Avon Lake, Ohio 44012 >>=20 >> 800.264.9472 >> 440.930.7967 Fax >> www.DesignEngineering.com >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail message and any attachments are = only for the use of the intended recipient and may contain information = that is privileged, confidential or exempt from disclosure under = applicable law.=20 >> If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, distribution = or other use of the e-mail message or attachments is prohibited. If you = have received this e-mail message in error, please delete and notify the = sender immediately. Thank you. >>=20 >>=20 >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Joseph Berki [mailto:jskmberki@windstream.net]=20 >> Sent: Friday, May 08, 2015 3:22 PM >> To: Dan Stark >> Subject: Re: [Questions / Comments] Heat shield fabric >>=20 >> Dan, >>=20 >> Do you have any recommendations for the type of sewing machine and = thread? >>=20 >> I would think that the thread would have to be able to withstand heat = and the machine robust enough to handle the fabric. >>=20 >> Appreciate any help. >>=20 >> Joe Berki >>> On May 8, 2015, at 10:26 AM, Dan Stark = wrote: >>>=20 >>> Hello, >>> All of our materials can be sewn together with the right = machine. =20 >>>=20 >>> Please let me know if you have any other questions with anything and = I can help further. Thank you for your interest in DEI products. =20 >>>=20 >>> Dan Stark >>> Customer Service Representative >>> DanS@designengineering.com >>> http://www.designengineering.com/=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> Design Engineering, Inc. >>> 604 Moore Road >>> Avon Lake, Ohio 44012 >>>=20 >>> 800.264.9472 >>> 440.930.7967 Fax >>> www.DesignEngineering.com >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail message and any attachments are = only for the use of the intended recipient and may contain information = that is privileged, confidential or exempt from disclosure under = applicable law.=20 >>> If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, distribution = or other use of the e-mail message or attachments is prohibited. If you = have received this e-mail message in error, please delete and notify the = sender immediately. Thank you. >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: website@designengineering.com = [mailto:website@designengineering.com] On Behalf Of = Jskmberki@windstream.net >>> Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2015 7:55 PM >>> To: Dan Stark >>> Subject: [Questions / Comments] Heat shield fabric >>>=20 >>> Joe Berki sent a message using the contact form at = https://www.designengineering.com//contact. >>>=20 >>> Can the heat shiel fabric be sewn together to create a heat shield = cover.T >>>=20 >>=20 >=20 --Apple-Mail=_CAF8618B-2113-4FBD-8FD8-AA5F79AD4DD1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Paul,

I = was looking into the possibility of building a fabric heat shield in = place of the metal one that is currently 90% complete due to the lack of = space.

Below = is a string of emails that provided the information.

I do not want to wrap = pipes as the Velocity went down do to pipe failure. 

Joe Berki

Begin forwarded message:

From: = Dan Stark <dans@designengineering.com>
Subject: = RE: [Questions / = Comments] Heat shield fabric
Date: = May 11, 2015 at 10:21:58 AM = EDT
To: = Joseph Berki <jskmberki@windstream.net>
Joseph,
Would = this work for you-  http://www.designengineering.com/category/catalog/design-engine= ering-inc/exhaust-wraps-accessories/titanium-pipe-shield =    They may not be wide enough for you but if it is = something that could work, it is already constructed so you do not have = to do the labor.

It should = hold up at that distance but with that type of temperature you would = want to make sure that you don't disturb the shield after it sees heat = cycles.  That level of temperature could crystalize the fabric. =  It will still insulate but if the fibers are disturbed, they may = break down.

We do = have 8'' wide exhaust wrap that you could use to easily sew a shield = together, but the same thing would happen.  Over time the heat = would crystalize it.  Since you have a good air gap, you could = mount our Floor and Tunnel to the inside of your shield.  You would = need to make sure the mounting points are on something cooler, like the = block, but the material should hold up.  If you mount it to the = exhaust, the heat would transfer to the shield and it may harm the = adhesive.

https://www.designengineering.com//category/catalog/design-engi= neering-inc/heat-sound-barrier/floor-tunnel-shield-ii-heat-sound-insulat

If you have any other ideas I can = help out.  Just let me know what you think-
=

Dan Stark
Customer = Service Representative
DanS@designengineering.com
http://www.designengineering.com/



Design Engineering, Inc.
604 Moore Road
Avon Lake, Ohio 44012

800.264.9472
440.930.7967 Fax
www.DesignEngineering.com



CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail message = and any attachments are only for the use of the intended recipient and = may contain information that is privileged, confidential or exempt from = disclosure under applicable law.
If you are not the = intended recipient, any disclosure, distribution or other use of the = e-mail message or attachments is prohibited. If you have received this = e-mail message in error, please delete and notify the sender = immediately. Thank you.

-----Original = Message-----
From: Joseph Berki = [mailto:jskmberki@windstream.net]
Sent: Saturday, May 09, = 2015 3:44 AM
To: Dan Stark
Subject: Re: = [Questions / Comments] Heat shield fabric

Dan,

I am trying to build a heat = shield for SS headers on a Mazda P port rotary.

At full power the header will glow.  1800 degrees is the = exhaust temp.

I need something that can = take what ever the temp might be when positioned 1 inch or so away from = the header.

I have a metal shield but space = is at a minimum and I thought something flexible might work.

Another thought instead of sewing would be to = pop rivet it at specific places using captured washers for support.

Thanks for any help

Joe Berki
On= May 8, 2015, at 3:32 PM, Dan Stark <dans@designengineering.com> = wrote:

Hello,
What = material are you mainly interested in?   



Dan Stark
Customer = Service Representative
DanS@designengineering.com
http://www.designengineering.com/



Design Engineering, Inc.
604 Moore Road
Avon Lake, Ohio 44012

800.264.9472
440.930.7967 Fax
www.DesignEngineering.com



CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail message = and any attachments are only for the use of the intended recipient and = may contain information that is privileged, confidential or exempt from = disclosure under applicable law.
If you are not the = intended recipient, any disclosure, distribution or other use of the = e-mail message or attachments is prohibited. If you have received this = e-mail message in error, please delete and notify the sender = immediately. Thank you.


-----Original Message-----
From: Joseph Berki = [mailto:jskmberki@windstream.net]
Sent: Friday, May 08, = 2015 3:22 PM
To: Dan Stark
Subject: Re: = [Questions / Comments] Heat shield fabric

Dan,

Do you have any = recommendations for the type of sewing machine and thread?

I would think that the thread would have to be = able to withstand heat and the machine robust enough to handle the = fabric.

Appreciate any help.

Joe Berki
On May 8, 2015, at 10:26 AM, Dan Stark = <dans@designengineering.com> wrote:

Hello,
All of our materials can be sewn = together with the right machine.  

Please let me know if you have any other questions with = anything and I can help further.   Thank you for your interest = in DEI products.  

Dan Stark
Customer Service Representative
DanS@designengineering.com
http://www.designengineering.com/



Design Engineering, Inc.
604 Moore Road
Avon Lake, Ohio 44012

800.264.9472
440.930.7967 Fax
www.DesignEngineering.com



CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail message = and any attachments are only for the use of the intended recipient and = may contain information that is privileged, confidential or exempt from = disclosure under applicable law.
If you are not the = intended recipient, any disclosure, distribution or other use of the = e-mail message or attachments is prohibited. If you have received this = e-mail message in error, please delete and notify the sender = immediately. Thank you.


-----Original Message-----
From: = website@designengineering.com [mailto:website@designengineering.com] On = Behalf Of Jskmberki@windstream.net
Sent: Thursday, May 07, = 2015 7:55 PM
To: Dan Stark
Subject: = [Questions / Comments] Heat shield fabric

Joe= Berki sent a message using the contact form at = https://www.designengineering.com//contact.

Can the heat shiel fabric be sewn together to create a heat = shield cover.T




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