X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com From: "William Mason" Received: from COL004-OMC2S12.hotmail.com ([65.55.34.86] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.1.2) with ESMTPS id 7678552 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Thu, 07 May 2015 13:39:57 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=65.55.34.86; envelope-from=instructorbill@msn.com Received: from COL402-EAS366 ([65.55.34.72]) by COL004-OMC2S12.hotmail.com over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(7.5.7601.22751); Thu, 7 May 2015 10:39:22 -0700 X-TMN: [PyIwGtQiZZf8+A+ZW90or88KRVZitw/s] X-Originating-Email: [instructorbill@msn.com] Message-ID: Return-Path: instructorbill@msn.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail-C8D28DCE-E153-4118-A20B-A5ADD5C6D275" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: RE: PSRU oil supply and drain Date: Thu, 7 May 2015 10:39:20 -0700 To: flyrotary MIME-Version: 1.0 (1.0) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 May 2015 17:39:22.0744 (UTC) FILETIME=[C11F0780:01D088EC] --Apple-Mail-C8D28DCE-E153-4118-A20B-A5ADD5C6D275 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The side housings are 86-91 irons. =20 The plug is present on the pan side to fill the galley after connecting the p= orts with a drill. I can take either of the allen plugs out of the iron, but then getting a sui= table fitting may be a problem. My guess is that the plug is 1/4 20. 1/4 20 to an4 adapters also have an o= ring or crush washer seal. I'm not sure I like the idea as the pad-ectomy s= ite is not exactly a precision machined surface. I also have concerns that t= his fitting will be fairly restrictive as well. At this point if I wanted to tap the site for a larger fitting on a complete= assembled engine-- I'm asking for trouble. =20 My planned oil cooler line will leave the front housing, enter a remote filt= er, leave the filter enter the cooler, exit the cooler and flow back into th= e rear iron in the stock location.=20 How about this.... take the PSRU oil from the remote filter housing which w= ill be mounted to the front PSRU plate? I can tap that for 1/4 to -4 fitting and then have short, simple lines. I= s there a problem with this approach? Mailing List flyrotary@lancaironline.net Archived Message #61756 b= ack to list From: Kelly Troyer Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: PSRU oil supply and drain Date: Thu, 7 May 2015 11:34:40 -0500 To: Rotary motors in aircraft Bill, Need a little more info about your engine........ I presume it is based on a= 86-91 iron side housings.........If so your oil inlet to the engine=20 probably enters the bottom of the rear hsg (front in AC) from an external oi= l filter..........Since your stock oil filter pad is plugged your rear iron was probably modified in the same method as my 88 engine........My= stock oil filter pad has been totally removed and the inlet and outlet to the filter pad have been plugged like yours..........If this i= s done than no oil can get to the main and rotor bearings unless=20 another modification is done..........There is a brass plug on the bottom (p= an surface) of the rear hsg that has to be drilled out and a 12 inch (7/16" drill bit if I remember correctly) used to drill out the wall se= parating the inlet and outlet ports (they intersect at an angle) on the=20 oil filter pad which are then plugged..............The way to find out for s= ure this was done on your engine is to look at the pan surface of your rear hsg directly below the filter pad area for what is probably a 1/4 i= nch allen head pipe plug instead of the stock brass plug......... If you can get the plugs out of the filter pad you can use one to the turb= o and the other to the gearbox but like Bobby said I would not use a "T" fitting for a common feed to the PSRU and Turbo (Too restrictive).= ............FWIW Kelly Troyer=20 On Thu, May 7, 2015 at 5:22 AM, Bobby J. Hughes wrote: > Bill >=20 > A picture would be helpful. I can't think of a reason the oil pad would pl= ugged. Dry sump? I think the gearbox needs its own feed line. I think some e= lse shared the PSRU/turbo feed for a few hundred hours but decided it caused= inadequate oil flow and wear to the gearbox. >=20 > Bobby >=20 > Sent from my iPad >=20 > > On May 7, 2015, at 12:29 AM, William Mason = wrote: > > > > Hello all, > > > > I am plumbing the PSRU for both supply and drain. > > > > My rear iron has been modified by Bruce Turrentine-- so I can't use a sp= acer between the filter and the pad to create an oil supply for the PSRU but= plan to-- with the group's consensus-- use a T in the line that would norma= lly feed the turbo alone from the front iron. The feed and return to the f= ilter pad have been plugged by what seems to be threaded plugs with allen he= ads. I tried to gingerly remove the feed one and abandoned the idea as it s= eemed to be very well seated. I did not try heat and I could have. Maybe I= should revisit the idea? > > > > I did not buy the engine from Bruce-- instead I sourced it second-hand. = I don't personally know Bruce and I'm not sure how he'd like to have me pic= k his brain on this matter. I figured I'd leave him alone. > > > > I am using a journal bearing turbo and I am running a restrictor at the t= urbo oil inlet. I would then use a t fitting and branch off for the PSRU fe= ed. > > > > My plans are to use a spacer between the oil pan and the oil level sendi= ng unit and tap it for a fitting... the drain then would enter the same spa= ce that the oil level sender occupies in the pan... make sense? > > > > Does anybody see a good reason not to do either of those? > > > > I'm down to plumbing and wiring now. Head scratching is becoming more c= ommon in my shop routines. > > > > Please advise. > > > > Regards, > > Bill Mason > > > > Sent from my iPad Subscribe: Feed, Digest, Index. 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