X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from omr-d10.mx.aol.com ([205.188.108.134] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.0.5) with ESMTP id 6343718 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Fri, 21 Jun 2013 19:20:01 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=205.188.108.134; envelope-from=shipchief@aol.com Received: from mtaout-ma06.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaout-ma06.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.6]) by omr-d10.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 0E1C8700000B7 for ; Fri, 21 Jun 2013 19:19:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [10.242.109.225] (143.sub-174-255-177.myvzw.com [174.255.177.143]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mtaout-ma06.r1000.mx.aol.com (MUA/Third Party Client Interface) with ESMTPSA id 7E997E0000D4 for ; Fri, 21 Jun 2013 19:19:24 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Oil Pressure AGAIN References: From: Scott Emery Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (8E600) In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2013 16:19:12 -0700 To: Rotary motors in aircraft Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (iPhone Mail 8E600) x-aol-global-disposition: G DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=mx.aol.com; s=20121107; t=1371856767; bh=KFK1pRN0nUAKfK74Kf5aAvITAh3RqDyCDhnjv34HiTY=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:Mime-Version:Content-Type; b=L3hNmDK1QIyRAnNEyIrEIL+ib4UNOuBc3Nc7Lysveuak78tXDC+USOZyhYbACvzj3 +TkikjWRxHDZfCFUOip4cJlHkZrMD4wFoUglMcYnLaeKp3/iqXi2RpsvtVz2tdkNdL Cj5wGQBByXHIGZyWc/486ywPDbFm0bYLe1BDu6AU= X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:468228544:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d290651c4df7c1554 X-AOL-IP: 174.255.177.143 I'm paying close attention to you plight, as I have my engine apart too. In your case I would suggest you verify the accuracy of your oil gauge, and m= aybe test pressure nearest to the pump discharge, then test at points downst= ream. It may be that your engine is ok but an oil hose has a flap of hose li= ner restricting flow or partially clogged cooler etc. Sent from my iPhone On Jun 21, 2013, at 3:58 PM, Chris Barber wrote:= >=20 > Well, if any of y'all are curious about my progress, I am grounded in Phas= e One.=20 >=20 > I am having oil pressure problems again. The frustration is huge. To add t= o this, most of the archive searches I have made give results that prominent= ly feature my inquiries. >=20 > Following my engine out over the airport in April traced to gunk in the fu= el rail, mods were made to the fuel system. During static tests the oil pres= sure would never come up to expectations.=20 >=20 > Hoping to lick the front o-ring problem that I have had SEVERAL times now,= I pulled the front cover to take a look see. The o-ring was torn.=20 >=20 > I choose to be more assertive in trying to address this problem. I modifie= d a brass fitting by grinding the OD to make it it cleanly fit inside the fr= ont iron (also, ground the inside diameter to keep flow as close as possible= to stock) and tapped the front housing to accept the fitting to screw in. I= then placed an o-ring around the fitting. I did not include the silicone ri= ng this time as it kept preventing the smooth mating it the iron and cover.=20= >=20 > While apart, I verified the woodruff key was properly installed in the oil= pump. The oil pump was replaced last time the cover was off. I also verifie= d the oil pressure relief valve. It was still in place (not surprising since= it has been safety wired in following it falling out once).=20 >=20 > I buttoned everything back up being meticulous that the o-ring mod seated p= roperly. However, my oil pressure is still low. It's in the twenties (psi) w= hile idling. This is not too bad as Racing Beat states this is acceptable at= idle. But, when I rev it up to as much as 6000 (only long enough to verify t= rend) it only goes into the 30's. NOT acceptable.=20 >=20 > The engine has had carb jets replace the e-shaft ball. I believe this can l= ower the oil pressure a bit. Also, there is a front oil cooler installed. Th= is necessitates about a 12 foot oil line run. It is plumbed in parallel. Thi= s could provide a bit lower pressure too I think.=20 >=20 > I using a mixture of Royal Purple 30, 40 and 50 oil. I added what was ava= ilable at the time. >=20 > I have yet to check the oil pressure regulator. I specifically remember in= stalling it to torque with blue lock-tight last time I had access.=20 >=20 > I plan to isolate the engine from the coolers and filter and take readings= using a mechanical gage. Currently I have two electronic gages, one for the= RWS monitor and one for the SkyView monitor. They both read within a couple= of psi from each other.=20 >=20 > If not for this Achilles Heal I would very likely out of Phase One and pla= nning a trip to Osh. It has been a major distraction of energy and time.=20 >=20 > I know it could be bearings but the stationary gears and bearings were rep= laced at the last rebuild. Everything else seemed in spec.=20 >=20 > The front eccentric thermostat was replaced with the plug.=20 >=20 > The oil is flowing as the system heats up evenly. I need to see if the hos= es are hard while running, as the no-pistons site says, hard like a brick.=20= >=20 > Insight as to what may be my problem and diagnostic course is always appre= ciated.=20 >=20 > I hope I have provided enough info and not omitted relevant information.=20= >=20 > I really can't express my annoyance/anger/disgust properly.=20 >=20 > Thanks again folks.=20 >=20 > Chris Barber.=20 > Houston > Velocity 13b >=20 > Sent from my iPhone 5 > -- > Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ > Archive and UnSub: http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/flyrotary/List= .html