X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from mail-ob0-f173.google.com ([209.85.214.173] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.0.5) with ESMTPS id 6266113 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Sat, 11 May 2013 21:02:25 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=209.85.214.173; envelope-from=keltro@gmail.com Received: by mail-ob0-f173.google.com with SMTP id 6so5470444oba.18 for ; Sat, 11 May 2013 18:01:52 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-received:in-reply-to:references:x-goomoji-body:date :message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=OGdwaTyqmZza57kS+e2Kcof3iUYCQsN+MhpnlbrW1zc=; b=D+O/G3O7NcC2aVXzCuPV5jh/uGKfF05/WiyYYiKXx7CbTEuLFyrnVY5dk42CQQpfE0 bA32/+eytf6vLAKhJIhudipO9W/ge1DXAnYhcrFJpEA6jGOzkFe9CQ/Iz4hCgr74Cike QpFgyTpPGJrqkzGmSvzS0NQxlyedvgmImmc/l3r+eFTcm144Y7IMiIf5VkoHUwHLKWi0 H8v6GYZyED1H5SYMxWRc0/LEc0wL6a7BbGLyHBQgJWxPiOXvJ3DKOpfJsbdTi+Z5SP9S Tl6OeHnSYvZoAOkkL109rMNWCnDWaSomoUz3ySqBAljKAD9p4o8mdrCRxIUtd+Wj6KEi t5zQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.60.60.73 with SMTP id f9mr10381271oer.43.1368320512594; Sat, 11 May 2013 18:01:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.76.156.230 with HTTP; Sat, 11 May 2013 18:01:52 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: X-Goomoji-Body: true Date: Sat, 11 May 2013 20:01:52 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: damn front o-ring again revisited again again again......sigh From: Kelly Troyer To: Rotary motors in aircraft Content-Type: multipart/related; boundary=089e013a2e0417977d04dc7af215 --089e013a2e0417977d04dc7af215 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=089e013a2e0417977b04dc7af214 --089e013a2e0417977b04dc7af214 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Todd, So you now take oil from the drilled out brass plug in the front (rear in A/C) side plate.............Correct ?? Kelly Troyer On Sat, May 11, 2013 at 7:41 PM, Todd Bartrim wrote: > Hi Chris; > Still here. Sorry to hear it didn't hold. I was hoping it would > prove successful, however I do feel fairly confident that mine will hold up > (I hope). > Unfortunately I've not tested it yet. After that mod and a little > other work, I completely removed every last item from my firewall in order > to install an unbroken sheet of fireproof blanket. I also want to redo all > my firewall penetrations as it had become a little piecemeal as I'd added > more stuff as finances allowed and new stuff became available. > But before I could get that back together, after hockey season finished > I took off to Mexico for a month of diving and since I've returned the last > of the snow has now melted so I'm going hard working outside. Can't see > much time on the horizon right now either has in addition to my regular > workload I've got a kid that in addition to baseball has decided to become > a goaltender for next hockey season, so I've got to spend a week of my > summer vacation taking him to a very expensive goalie school not to mention > working to pay for all the new expensive goalie gear that he'll need. And > no doubt grow out of shortly after. > When I started this project I had no responsibilities. None. It was so > easy back then.[?] > > Hope you are able to repair it without trouble. Something else to consider > if you haven't already. I also previously drilled my front iron (rear in > the plane.. well at least in a tractor plane) for the oil outlet. Now the > only reason I don't plug the hole completely is to allow oil to the relief > valve. So long as that valve doesn't open there is no flow through the > little bushing into the front cover. Not sure that would make any > difference at all, but I did consider it when making my bushing very robust > knowing it wouldn't have to allow full flow. > > Todd > The trouble with trouble is it always starts out fun!!! > > Todd Bartrim > > > On Sat, May 11, 2013 at 4:27 PM, Chris Barber wrote: > >> Todd Bartrim....you still here? >> >> >> >> To add insult to injury, after loosing my engine over Pearland Regional >> Airport (LVJ) a few weeks ago, which we seem to be able to attribute to >> some gunk found in the Mistral fuel rail clogging the small return orifice, >> I am also having low oil pressure AGAIN. I have yet to pull the front >> cover, however, I am leaping to the conclusion that the front cover o-ring >> is causing the problem. I have tried to address this issue several times >> now. I have installed the extra support ring provided by Maztatrix. I >> use no gasket and still have a problem. >> >> >> >> Similar to you, I installed a small tube in the passage last time I >> messed with this to hopefully prevent the oil ring blowing out....if >> I understand correctly due to cold start pressure. However, unlike you, >> mine was just pressed in aluminum tube modified to fit with holes drilled >> in the tube to still allow flow if the tube dislodged. >> >> >> >> How is your modification working? What thoughts do you, or others, have? >> >> >> >> I think I know the other things that could cause low pressure and do not >> think they are the issue (such as the pump retaining key slipping out, >> pressure regulator falling out as it safety tied etc). It is a new oil >> pump replaced the last time this problem happened. >> >> >> >> I hopefully will get out to the hangar I rented at LVJ tomorrow and >> remove the cover to know more but am curious about your success or lack of. >> >> >> >> Thanks >> >> >> >> Chris Barber >> >> Houston >> >> Ellington Field (EFD) >> > > --089e013a2e0417977b04dc7af214 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Todd,
=A0 So you now take oil from the drilled o= ut brass plug in the front (rear in A/C) side plate.............Correct ??<= /div>

Kelly Troyer


On Sat, May 11, 2013 at 7:41 PM, Todd Ba= rtrim <bartrim@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Chris;
=A0 Still here. Sorry to hear it didn't = hold. I was hoping it would prove=A0successful, however I do feel fairly co= nfident that mine will hold up (I hope).=A0
=A0 =A0 Unfortunately= =A0I've not tested it yet. After that mod and a little other work, I=A0= completely=A0removed=A0every=A0last item from my firewall in order to insta= ll an unbroken sheet of fireproof blanket. I also want to redo all my firew= all penetrations as it had become a little piecemeal as I'd added more = stuff as finances allowed and new stuff became available.=A0
=A0 =A0But before I could get that back together, after hockey season = finished I took off to Mexico for a month of diving and since I've retu= rned the last of the snow has now melted so I'm going hard working outs= ide. Can't see much time on the horizon right now either has in additio= n to my regular workload I've got a kid that in addition to baseball ha= s decided to become a goaltender for next hockey season, so I've got to= spend a week of my summer vacation taking him to a very expensive goalie s= chool not to mention working to pay for all the new expensive goalie gear t= hat he'll need. And no doubt grow out of shortly after.
=A0 =A0When I started this project I had no=A0responsibilities. None. = It was so easy back then.

Hope you are able to repair it without trouble. Something el= se to consider if you=A0haven't=A0already. I also previously drilled my= front iron (rear in the plane.. well at least in a tractor plane) for the = oil outlet. Now the only reason I don't plug the hole completely is to = allow oil to the relief valve. So long as that valve doesn't open there= is no flow through the little bushing into the front cover. Not sure that = would make any difference at all, but I did consider it when making my bush= ing very robust knowing it wouldn't have to allow full flow.

Todd
The trouble with trouble is it always st= arts out fun!!!

Todd Bart= rim


On Sat, May 11, 2013 at 4:27 PM, Chris B= arber <cbarber@texasattorney.net> wrote:

Todd Bartrim....you still here?

=A0

To add insult to injury, after loosing my engine over Pearland Regional = Airport (LVJ) a few weeks ago, which we = seem to be able to attribute to some gunk found in the Mistral fuel rail cl= ogging the small return orifice, I am also having low oil pressure AGAIN.=A0 I have yet to pull the front c= over, however, I am leaping to the conclusion that the front cover=A0o-ring= is causing the problem.=A0 I have tried to address this issue several time= s now.=A0 I have=A0installed the extra support ring provided by Maztatrix.=A0 = I use no gasket and still have a problem.

=A0

Similar=A0to you, I installed a small tube in the passage last ti= me I messed with this to hopefully prevent the oil ring blowing out....if I= =A0understand=A0correctly due to cold start pressure.=A0 Howe= ver, unlike you, mine was just pressed in aluminum tube modified to fit with holes drilled in the tube to still allo= w flow if the tube dislodged.

=A0

How is your modification working?=A0 What thoughts do you, or others, ha= ve?

=A0

I think I know the other things that could cause low pressure and do not= think they are the issue (such as the pump retaining key slipping out, pre= ssure regulator falling out as it safety tied etc).=A0 It is a new oil pump= replaced the last time this problem happened.

=A0

I=A0hopefully will get out to the hangar I r= ented at=A0LVJ tomorrow and remove the c= over to know more but am curious about your success or lack of.

=A0

Thanks

=A0

Chris Barber

Houston

Ellington Field (EFD)






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