X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from qmta04.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.40] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.0.4) with ESMTP id 6216360 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Mon, 22 Apr 2013 19:42:28 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=76.96.30.40; envelope-from=hoursaway1@comcast.net Received: from omta16.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.72]) by qmta04.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id TBHB1l0021ZMdJ4A4Bhtnq; Mon, 22 Apr 2013 23:41:53 +0000 Received: from sz0081.ev.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.40.138]) by omta16.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id TBht1l00K2yr1eL8cBhtMN; Mon, 22 Apr 2013 23:41:53 +0000 Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2013 23:41:53 +0000 (UTC) From: hoursaway1@comcast.net To: Rotary motors in aircraft Message-ID: <385413259.1110854.1366674113296.JavaMail.root@sz0081a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: [Fly Rotary]: Ed's dead stick club MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_1110852_78195797.1366674113294" X-Originating-IP: [::ffff:68.40.10.159] X-Mailer: Zimbra 6.0.13_GA_2944 (ZimbraWebClient - FF3.0 (Win)/6.0.13_GA_2944) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=comcast.net; s=q20121106; t=1366674113; bh=CZnieuIV4iUrzYNAp0pNDFffuqrxq7rcqFZnrKp9CvM=; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Message-ID:Subject:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=Eu2sDHX7pK+6UH+l0mb6WipHlwVJflbq2S81VbtIsVrp+g2MB7RbukbUCQ5venCDz jR5qLX3g1kdA3XEIaz/epO/Di0K1V6nUF2fMkvWymGQUmAwjxc/knlaj/qgN+u2hCs LmN6eCsGqM5rU+ZmJrp0Sph16gLwc+A7evZFSmgRO2EJRFklLNsC11aO/i18PmLW8L L8O7jTjU2ESoFte5m3nwa2ae2qqknea8dLRYG6sbOcQ9en2L6r3M9/0xKEtzDiG+At jUOcgInDRcXiPmFDXcJA+TFVCNV/i9nro1UlQVAMZxhYY8REaLnFWc5sXRhk/OyxdI 8c7KCA3ykyPGQ== ------=_Part_1110852_78195797.1366674113294 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Accelerated stall. Just read about that in EAA Mag., think it was an Glassa= ir. David R. Cook=20 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ed Anderson" =20 To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" =20 Sent: Monday, April 22, 2013 11:51:09 AM=20 Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: [Fly Rotary]: Ed's dead stick club=20 Airspeed and altitude are the only two instruments that I can recall seeing= in my incidents. On one turn to final that I was making a bit too tight, I= glanced at the airspeed to see if falling through 85mph and rate of sink u= p to 1000 fpm. Loosened up the turn and lowered the nose picking up airspee= d and lowering rate of descent for a sweet landing - don't like to think ab= out what could have happened had I continued to tighten the turn.=20 Ed=20 From: ARGOLDMAN@aol.com=20 Sent: Monday, April 22, 2013 11:18 AM=20 To: Rotary motors in aircraft=20 Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: [Fly Rotary]: Ed's dead stick club=20 Chris,=20 In the middle of an engine out situation is not the most opportune time to = look at the instruments, and perhaps impossible, (been there), but on the o= ff chance that you were able to look, or had some sort of recording device,= What was your fuel pressure, and coolant pressure, as well as any other th= ings you remember.=20 It is really terrific that you arrived safely with a great landing (one fro= m which you can take off again).=20 Rich=20 In a message dated 4/22/2013 7:14:03 A.M. Central Daylight Time, jwhaley@da= tacast.com writes:=20 Chris, good job and glad you made it onto the runway you had =E2=80=A6 chec= k fuel system (return and venting), oil lines, accessory belts, water pump,= alternator,=E2=80=93 keep us posted as to findings.=20 At 100 hours TT, experienced a Lycoming eat an exhaust valve =E2=80=A6 a ve= ry shaky situation; fortunately I had just turned base and throttled back = =E2=80=A6 it pays to fly tight circuits =E2=80=93 just in case.=20 Ed, based on your system, I=E2=80=99ll take =C2=BC credit for last year=E2= =80=99s cornfield harvest =E2=80=A6 I landed just =E2=80=9Canywhere=E2=80= =9D myself but the airplane didn=E2=80=99t fare so well =E2=80=A6 progressi= ng with the rebuild.=20 But being 5 miles away from the runway at 1500=E2=80=99 isn=E2=80=99t the s= ame as 5 miles away at 8000=E2=80=99.=20 Jeff=20 =09 =09 =09 From: =09 "Ed Anderson" =20 =09 Subject: =09 Re: [FlyRotary] Re: Ed's dead stick club=20 =09 Date: =09 Mon, 22 Apr 2013 06:48:14 -0400=20 =09 To: =09 "Rotary motors in aircraft" =09 http://lancaironline.net/lists/flyrotary/Message/59759-H.txt http://lancaironline.net/lists/flyrotary/Message/59759-P.txt =09 Ok, Dave=20 You get 1/2 credit - I mean if you can just pick "anywhere" to land - where= 's the challenge? {:>)=20 Ed=20 From: David Leonard=20 Sent: Sunday, April 21, 2013 9:03 PM=20 To: Rotary motors in aircraft=20 Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Ed's dead stick club=20 This message, and the documents attached hereto, is intended only for the a= ddressee and may contain privileged or confidential information. Any unauth= orized disclosure is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message= in error, please notify us immediately so that we may correct our internal= records. Please then delete the original message. Thank you.=20 --=20 Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/=20 Archive and UnSub: http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/flyrotary/List.ht= ml=20 No virus found in this message.=20 Checked by AVG - www.avg.com=20 Version: 2013.0.3272 / Virus Database: 3162/6264 - Release Date: 04/22/13 ------=_Part_1110852_78195797.1366674113294 Content-Type: multipart/related; boundary="----=_Part_1110853_2124251862.1366674113294" ------=_Part_1110853_2124251862.1366674113294 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <= div style=3D'font-family: Arial; font-size: 12pt; color: #000000'>Accelerat= ed stall.  Just read about that in EAA Mag.,  think it was an Gla= ssair.    David R. Cook

From: "Ed = Anderson" <eanderson@carolina.rr.com>
To: "Rotary motors in= aircraft" <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Sent: Monday, Apri= l 22, 2013 11:51:09 AM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: [Fly Rotary]: Ed'= s dead stick club

Airspeed and altitude are the only two instruments th= at I can=20 recall seeing in my incidents.  On one turn to final that I was making= a=20 bit too tight, I glanced at the airspeed to see if falling through 85mph an= d=20 rate of sink up to 1000 fpm.  Loosened up the turn and lowered the nos= e=20 picking up airspeed and lowering rate of descent for a sweet landing - don'= t=20 like to think about what could have happened had I continued to tighten the= =20 turn.
 
Ed
 
 

Sent: Monday, April 22, 2013 11:18 AM
To: Rotary motors in aircraft <= /div>
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: [Fly Rotary]: Ed's dead stick=20 club

Chris,
 
In the middle of an engine out situation is not the most opportune tim= e to=20 look at the instruments, and perhaps impossible, (been there), but on the o= ff=20 chance that you were able to look, or had some sort of recording device, Wh= at=20 was your fuel pressure, and coolant pressure, as well as any other things y= ou=20 remember.
 
It is really terrific that you arrived safely with a great landing (on= e=20 from which you can take off again).
 
Rich
 
In a message dated 4/22/2013 7:14:03 A.M. Central Daylight Time,=20 jwhaley@datacast.com writes:

Chris, good job and glad you made it onto the runw= ay you=20 had =E2=80=A6 check fuel system (return and venting), oil lines, accessor= y belts,=20 water pump, alternator,=E2=80=93 keep us posted as to findings.

At 100 hours TT, experienced a Lycoming eat an exh= aust=20 valve =E2=80=A6 a very shaky situation; fortunately I had just turned bas= e and=20 throttled back =E2=80=A6 it pays to fly tight circuits =E2=80=93 just in = case.

 

Ed, based on your system, I=E2=80=99ll take =C2=BC= credit for last=20 year=E2=80=99s cornfield harvest =E2=80=A6 I landed just =E2=80=9Canywher= e=E2=80=9D myself but the airplane=20 didn=E2=80=99t fare so well =E2=80=A6 progressing with the rebuild.

But being 5 miles away from the runway at 1500=E2= =80=99 isn=E2=80=99t the=20 same as 5 miles away at 8000=E2=80=99.

 

Jeff

 

 

From:

"Ed=20 Anderson" <eanderson@carolina.rr.com>

<= /td>

Subject:

Re:=20 [FlyRotary] Re: Ed's dead stick club

Date:

Mon,=20 22 Apr 2013 06:48:14 -0400

To:

"Rotary=20 motors in aircraft"=20 <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>

3D"http://lancaironli=

Ok,=20 Dave

 

You get 1/2=20 credit - I mean if you can just pick "anywhere" to land - where's t= he=20 challenge? {:>)

 

Ed

 

From: David=20 Leonard

Sent: Sunday,=20 April 21, 2013 9:03 PM

To: Rotary motors in=20 aircraft

Subject: [FlyRotary]=20 Re: Ed's dead stick club

 

 

This message, and the documents at= tached=20 hereto, is intended only for the addressee and may contain privileged or= =20 confidential information. Any unauthorized disclosure is strictly prohibi= ted.=20 If you have received this message in error, please notify us immediately = so=20 that we may correct our internal records. Please then delete the original= =20 message. Thank you.

--
Homepage:  http://www.flyrotary.com/
Archive and=20 UnSub:  =20 http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/flyrotary/List.html

No virus found in this=20 message.
Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
Version: 2013.0.3272 / Virus=20 Database: 3162/6264 - Release Date: 04/22/13

------=_Part_1110853_2124251862.1366674113294 Content-Type: image/gif Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Disposition: attachment Content-ID: <86704B92B83541EE8BBD54F3FFDA9A59@EdPC> R0lGODdhCgANAPcAAAAAAIAAAACAAICAAAAAgIAAgACAgMDAwMDcwKbK8AAAAAAAKgAAVQAAfwAA qgAA1AAqAAAqKgAqVQAqfwAqqgAq1ABVAABVKgBVVQBVfwBVqgBV1AB/AAB/KgB/VQB/fwB/qgB/ 1ACqAACqKgCqVQCqfwCqqgCq1ADUAADUKgDUVQDUfwDUqgDU1CoAACoAKioAVSoAfyoAqioA1Coq ACoqKioqVSoqfyoqqioq1CpVACpVKipVVSpVfypVqipV1Cp/ACp/Kip/VSp/fyp/qip/1CqqACqq KiqqVSqqfyqqqiqq1CrUACrUKirUVSrUfyrUqirU1FUAAFUAKlUAVVUAf1UAqlUA1FUqAFUqKlUq VVUqf1UqqlUq1FVVAFVVKlVVVVVVf1VVqlVV1FV/AFV/KlV/VVV/f1V/qlV/1FWqAFWqKlWqVVWq f1WqqlWq1FXUAFXUKlXUVVXUf1XUqlXU1H8AAH8AKn8AVX8Af38Aqn8A1H8qAH8qKn8qVX8qf38q qn8q1H9VAH9VKn9VVX9Vf39Vqn9V1H9/AH9/Kn9/VX9/f39/qn9/1H+qAH+qKn+qVX+qf3+qqn+q 1H/UAH/UKn/UVX/Uf3/Uqn/U1KoAAKoAKqoAVaoAf6oAqqoA1KoqAKoqKqoqVaoqf6oqqqoq1KpV AKpVKqpVVapVf6pVqqpV1Kp/AKp/Kqp/Vap/f6p/qqp/1KqqAKqqKqqqVaqqf6qqqqqq1KrUAKrU KqrUVarUf6rUqqrU1NQAANQAKtQAVdQAf9QAqtQA1NQqANQqKtQqVdQqf9QqqtQq1NRVANRVKtRV VdRVf9RVqtRV1NR/ANR/KtR/VdR/f9R/qtR/1NSqANSqKtSqVdSqf9SqqtSq1NTUANTUKtTUVdTU f9TUqtTU1AAAAAwMDBkZGSYmJjMzMz8/P0xMTFlZWWZmZnJycn9/f4yMjJmZmaWlpbKysr+/v8zM zNjY2OXl5fLy8v/78KCgpICAgP8AAAD/AP//AAAA//8A/wD//////ywAAAAACgANAAAINgDxCRw4 EAC+fwgTIjT4DwCAAwIXHlSYkKHDhxEZUpTYEONEjRstOoR4ECRFkSQ5bux4saXDgAA7 ------=_Part_1110853_2124251862.1366674113294 Content-Type: image/gif Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Disposition: attachment Content-ID: <80BE35EF2C8F4AF19D46D1A1BC702FF0@EdPC> R0lGODdhCgANAPcAAAAAAIAAAACAAICAAAAAgIAAgACAgMDAwMDcwKbK8AAAAAAAKgAAVQAAfwAA qgAA1AAqAAAqKgAqVQAqfwAqqgAq1ABVAABVKgBVVQBVfwBVqgBV1AB/AAB/KgB/VQB/fwB/qgB/ 1ACqAACqKgCqVQCqfwCqqgCq1ADUAADUKgDUVQDUfwDUqgDU1CoAACoAKioAVSoAfyoAqioA1Coq ACoqKioqVSoqfyoqqioq1CpVACpVKipVVSpVfypVqipV1Cp/ACp/Kip/VSp/fyp/qip/1CqqACqq KiqqVSqqfyqqqiqq1CrUACrUKirUVSrUfyrUqirU1FUAAFUAKlUAVVUAf1UAqlUA1FUqAFUqKlUq VVUqf1UqqlUq1FVVAFVVKlVVVVVVf1VVqlVV1FV/AFV/KlV/VVV/f1V/qlV/1FWqAFWqKlWqVVWq f1WqqlWq1FXUAFXUKlXUVVXUf1XUqlXU1H8AAH8AKn8AVX8Af38Aqn8A1H8qAH8qKn8qVX8qf38q qn8q1H9VAH9VKn9VVX9Vf39Vqn9V1H9/AH9/Kn9/VX9/f39/qn9/1H+qAH+qKn+qVX+qf3+qqn+q 1H/UAH/UKn/UVX/Uf3/Uqn/U1KoAAKoAKqoAVaoAf6oAqqoA1KoqAKoqKqoqVaoqf6oqqqoq1KpV AKpVKqpVVapVf6pVqqpV1Kp/AKp/Kqp/Vap/f6p/qqp/1KqqAKqqKqqqVaqqf6qqqqqq1KrUAKrU KqrUVarUf6rUqqrU1NQAANQAKtQAVdQAf9QAqtQA1NQqANQqKtQqVdQqf9QqqtQq1NRVANRVKtRV VdRVf9RVqtRV1NR/ANR/KtR/VdR/f9R/qtR/1NSqANSqKtSqVdSqf9SqqtSq1NTUANTUKtTUVdTU f9TUqtTU1AAAAAwMDBkZGSYmJjMzMz8/P0xMTFlZWWZmZnJycn9/f4yMjJmZmaWlpbKysr+/v8zM zNjY2OXl5fLy8v/78KCgpICAgP8AAAD/AP//AAAA//8A/wD//////ywAAAAACgANAAAIPgDxCRw4 EAC+fwcQKjxgMCHDhAD+GUQYEcDDhhIzVjwIkSJDfA8zQjxYUWRDixVHmnSI0aHCiS5ZAphJs2ZA ADs= ------=_Part_1110853_2124251862.1366674113294-- ------=_Part_1110852_78195797.1366674113294--