X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from qmta13.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.27.243] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.0.4) with ESMTP id 6216346 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Mon, 22 Apr 2013 19:37:05 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=76.96.27.243; envelope-from=hoursaway1@comcast.net Received: from omta21.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.88]) by qmta13.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id TBVs1l0031u4NiLADBcWXU; Mon, 22 Apr 2013 23:36:30 +0000 Received: from sz0081.ev.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.40.138]) by omta21.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id TBcW1l00F2yr1eL8hBcWQe; Mon, 22 Apr 2013 23:36:30 +0000 Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2013 23:36:30 +0000 (UTC) From: hoursaway1@comcast.net To: Rotary motors in aircraft Message-ID: <929543836.1110576.1366673790242.JavaMail.root@sz0081a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: [Fly Rotary]: Ed's dead stick club MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_1110574_1849698478.1366673790221" X-Originating-IP: [::ffff:68.40.10.159] X-Mailer: Zimbra 6.0.13_GA_2944 (ZimbraWebClient - FF3.0 (Win)/6.0.13_GA_2944) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=comcast.net; s=q20121106; t=1366673790; bh=dhuHhCul1GDus03rlP/4UawDSW057LS6fOYomKHzIwU=; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Message-ID:Subject:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=WpMjNSxA0+Sxu4T3UOs1YCTlWi/xQx+xH07bS/F1NyrPdiGHOmJWC4GkBdLskZEaI pqIviJ5jIPq3nNIsaDes7Qo13SEXFfLmmDa8C9VDnH0rjCXltyMgv1QR74Xf/A3yiO 5GTOmkv59JwnYSiXarrFlmXdqNuorc4Fk8h9Y5zRvnL18yiN0ZFyIvXY5qzGaZmZWV 6PQQPnnbDsASVDw2TjbkUXNLlMXutl5mYmYzC+RaQSegCaWGwEfjfifd3GELq+/u5P qYtYhAuPsOAD1uZxF1QWjcCs0gkZbRmUs/vhn9aTtc9+fBFiYZCmaS+Ls7rcX5SFT7 r4cjtNXwuI05w== ------=_Part_1110574_1849698478.1366673790221 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable This reminds me of a task an instructor put me through ( when checking out = in the Cherokee 6, I purchased years ago ) he asked if I could make the run= way if eng. failed on a downwind just before base turn, I was using the nor= mal pattern procedure of,,, on downwind at the end of runway pull power to = reduce speed to add first notch of flaps, then start a slow decent & ready = for downwind to base turn, we noted a loss of about 200 ft. by the time we = turned to base, we experimented with eng. out at that point,,, no way we wo= uld have made runway,,, not even airport,,, so we adjusted the proceedure t= o stay at patern alt. until turned to final,,, then start decent,,, recheck= ed our eng. out at downwind to base & we can now make the runway,,, that ex= tra 200 ft. made all the diff. in world. We wrote a paper on the new proced= ure & submitted to Piper, they were very receptive & printed it in there ne= wsletter ( no longer done by Piper ). I have been using this new procedure = with the RV6A Rotary also. David R. Cook RV6A Rotary. starting to warm up i= n MI.=20 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Whaley" =20 To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" =20 Sent: Monday, April 22, 2013 8:13:24 AM=20 Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: [Fly Rotary]: Ed's dead stick club=20 Chris, good job and glad you made it onto the runway you had =E2=80=A6 chec= k fuel system (return and venting), oil lines, accessory belts, water pump,= alternator,=E2=80=93 keep us posted as to findings.=20 At 100 hours TT, experienced a Lycoming eat an exhaust valve =E2=80=A6 a ve= ry shaky situation; fortunately I had just turned base and throttled back = =E2=80=A6 it pays to fly tight circuits =E2=80=93 just in case.=20 Ed, based on your system, I=E2=80=99ll take =C2=BC credit for last year=E2= =80=99s cornfield harvest =E2=80=A6 I landed just =E2=80=9Canywhere=E2=80= =9D myself but the airplane didn=E2=80=99t fare so well =E2=80=A6 progressi= ng with the rebuild.=20 But being 5 miles away from the runway at 1500=E2=80=99 isn=E2=80=99t the s= ame as 5 miles away at 8000=E2=80=99.=20 Jeff=20 =09 =09 =09 From: =09 "Ed Anderson" =20 =09 Subject: =09 Re: [FlyRotary] Re: Ed's dead stick club=20 =09 Date: =09 Mon, 22 Apr 2013 06:48:14 -0400=20 =09 To: =09 "Rotary motors in aircraft" =09 Message Header Undecoded Message =09 Ok, Dave=20 You get 1/2 credit - I mean if you can just pick "anywhere" to land - where= 's the challenge? {:>)=20 Ed=20 From: David Leonard=20 Sent: Sunday, April 21, 2013 9:03 PM=20 To: Rotary motors in aircraft=20 Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Ed's dead stick club=20 This message, and the documents attached hereto, is intended only for the a= ddressee and may contain privileged or confidential information. Any unauth= orized disclosure is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message= in error, please notify us immediately so that we may correct our internal= records. Please then delete the original message. Thank you. ------=_Part_1110574_1849698478.1366673790221 Content-Type: multipart/related; boundary="----=_Part_1110575_909045774.1366673790221" ------=_Part_1110575_909045774.1366673790221 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <= div style=3D'font-family: Arial; font-size: 12pt; color: #000000'>This remi= nds me of a task an instructor put me through ( when checking out in the Ch= erokee 6,  I purchased years ago ) he asked if I could make the runway= if eng. failed on a downwind just before base turn,   I was usin= g the normal pattern procedure of,,, on downwind at the end of runway pull = power to reduce speed to add first notch of flaps, then start a slow decent= & ready for downwind to base turn, we noted a loss of about 200 ft. by= the time we turned to base,  we experimented with eng. out at that po= int,,, no way we would have made runway,,, not even airport,,, so we adjust= ed the proceedure to stay at patern alt. until turned to final,,, then star= t decent,,, rechecked our eng. out at downwind to base & we can now mak= e the runway,,, that extra 200 ft. made all the diff. in world.  We wr= ote a paper on the new procedure & submitted to Piper, they were very r= eceptive & printed it in there newsletter ( no longer done by Piper ).&= nbsp; I have been using this new procedure with the RV6A Rotary also.  = ;    David R. Cook  RV6A Rotary. starting to warm up in MI.<= br>
From: "Jeff Whaley" <jwhaley@datacast.com= >
To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" <flyrotary@lancaironline.= net>
Sent: Monday, April 22, 2013 8:13:24 AM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: [Fly Rotary]: Ed's dead stick club

Chris, good job and glad you made it onto the runway= you had =E2=80=A6 check fuel system (return and venting), oil lines, acces= sory belts, water pump, alternator,=E2=80=93 keep us posted as to findings.=

At 100 hours TT, experienced a Lycoming eat an exhau= st valve =E2=80=A6 a very shaky situation; fortunately I had just turned ba= se and throttled back =E2=80=A6 it pays to fly tight circuits =E2=80=93 jus= t in case.

 

Ed, based on your system, I=E2=80=99ll take =C2=BC c= redit for last year=E2=80=99s cornfield harvest =E2=80=A6 I landed just =E2= =80=9Canywhere=E2=80=9D myself but the airplane didn=E2=80=99t fare so well= =E2=80=A6 progressing with the rebuild.

But being 5 miles away from the runway at 1500=E2=80= =99 isn=E2=80=99t the same as 5 miles away at 8000=E2=80=99.

 

Jeff

 

 

From:

"Ed Anderson" <eanderson@carolina.rr= .com>

Subject:

Re: [FlyRotary] Re: Ed's dead stick clu= b

Date:

Mon, 22 Apr 2013 06:48:14 -0400<= /p>

To:

"Rotary motors in aircraft" <flyrota= ry@lancaironline.net>

3D"Message

=

Ok, Dave

 

You get 1/2 credit - I mean if you can ju= st pick "anywhere" to land - where's the challenge? {:>)

 

Ed

 

From: Davi= d Leonard

Sent: Sunday= , April 21, 2013 9:03 PM

To: Rota= ry motors in aircraft

Subject: [Fl= yRotary] Re: Ed's dead stick club

 

 

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