Chris,

The attached image shows a comparison of RPM vs MAP for a 13B on an engine
test stand for a turbo installation, a supercharger installation, and a
normally aspirated setup along with the data you reported.  The test stand
prop was the same for each installation and the same intercooler was used
with the turbo and the supercharger.  The altitude here limits the NA MAP

23" Hg.  No claim is made that the turbo or supercharger installations

completely optimized, however the trends should be valid.  The NA intake

the dynamic chamber intake as found in a 1986 RX7 car.  The NA

had the turbo and supercharger completely removed: that is, the turbo was
not connected to either the intake or exhaust system, and the supercharger
was not being belt driven and was not connected to the intake system.

From the data you reported, you got similar max static RPM with the turbo
with about 6" less MAP than normally aspirated (similar situation at 5000
RPM).  That is difficult to accept since it takes energy to drive the

in the form of increased exhaust gas backpressure which would raise the

requirement rather than decrease it.

If your data for the turbo and normally aspirated cases were reversed,

the data makes sense.  If the normally aspirated MAP was limited to 24.5",
the max MAP of 29.8 would correspond quite well with boost being limited

3 psi by the wastegate spring.  The turbo system would appear to be

correctly if this unlikely scenario were to be the case, but

the indication of a free lunch would be gone.

Steve Boese
RV6A, 1986 13B NA, RD1A, EC2



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From: Rotary motors in aircraft [flyrotary@lancaironline.net] on behalf of
Chris Barber [cbarber@texasattorney.net]
Sent: Monday, August 20, 2012 7:17 PM
To: Rotary motors in aircraft
Subject: [FlyRotary] Turbo question.

As I have mentioned I have had what I think are incongruent readings
regarding my manifold pressure (mp)and engine rpm. It seems I am getting
quite low mp as I add power to higher rpm.

I am not well versed in this area but my thought is that as I add power,
even with slight boost (currently using a 3 lb spring in my wastegate)
eventually my mp should raise a bit more.

Today I did some static test. I recorded engine RPM with the  turbo hooked
up and recorded the mp at 1000 rpm increments. Then I removed the turbo
plumbing from my intake and recorded the same info My results currently
confuse me.

With the turbo hooked up I am getting

RPM.   MP inches
2000 - 14.0
3000 - 15.5
4000 - 19.3
5000 - 21.6
5700 - 24.5 (topped out)

With the turbo removed.

2000 - 15.8
3000 - 15.3
4000 - 19.7
5000 - 24.8
5833 - 29.8

Is this indicative of restriction in my plumbing? Perhaps in the inter
cooler? A dirty air filter? A bad pop off valve or a leak not allowing the
air pressure getting to the intake. Or????

I am uncertain what other permitters I need to check and provide. I am

starting my diagnosis in my Phase One testing. I only have 1.6 hours in

air so far. I value ya'll's direction and input.

Heck, perhaps this is working properly but it just doesn't seem
right/comfortable.

Thanks folks.

Chris Barber
Houston
Velocity SE
Rotary 13b turbo (?) :-)



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