X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from mail-pb0-f52.google.com ([209.85.160.52] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.0c1) with ESMTPS id 5694185 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Sun, 05 Aug 2012 15:43:08 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=209.85.160.52; envelope-from=wdleonard@gmail.com Received: by pbcwz12 with SMTP id wz12so4164291pbc.25 for ; Sun, 05 Aug 2012 12:42:33 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=jnpipfC7IuR5xT1IUs2qx3YcP1tzWsIGs83joIUJnb4=; b=YjUFrpJ42dVkv4wYpDQIn+UbpshvUlSl6YYZV9QlEACPqNSbGUMkQSeOniz5fkLhYQ 7xBe0wEGhfDYn3aHzyDd48krZzcyOR888drnjA0T1TcKhmZ6qRoyTCXog6RYBDIGHuQ+ AocPdWTme7YbM9R03ydU5Oeb4wXSc0BhoB6IvHBhDk6oWPcvH81S263fgS/S2T2Xh/8S Zp12f1ij5Z2112JB7In338/asZF45H2NglgecPDd0i647wjdAmKeFyciE5rJJ0c7ONBQ EOWXFlRZ6KA5FyljUmPbyPTg7rfusxf0Rr/35WGVEIV8eJ73RTYl5rwra+WMnE7wglpQ jnEw== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.68.232.229 with SMTP id tr5mr13609673pbc.101.1344195753157; Sun, 05 Aug 2012 12:42:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.68.21.163 with HTTP; Sun, 5 Aug 2012 12:42:33 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2012 12:42:33 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: Rotary Forced Landing From: David Leonard To: Rotary motors in aircraft Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7b33cf9e6025c404c689f6de --047d7b33cf9e6025c404c689f6de Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Yea, mine is an Earls cleanable high pressure with maybe 10 sq cm worth of area. Will look into the Peterson. Thanks Tracy. Dave Leonard On Sun, Aug 5, 2012 at 10:48 AM, Tracy wrote: > Al probably means the filter that's on factory in-tank pumps. OK, but > very hard to implement on RV wet-wing tanks. I used a gascolator for low > side filter on my -4. Worked OK and when it clogged, switching on the > backup pump with main pump caused the screen disk to collapse and let fuel > bypass it. which is better than no fuel at all but not an ideal solution. > > On the -8 i used a cleanable Peterson filter with TONS of filter area, > works great. That was a replacement for the Summit Racing fuel filter > with a filter element disk the size of a nickel. It clogged up in about > about 5 hours of flight. > > Tracy > > Sent from my iPad > > On Aug 5, 2012, at 10:18 AM, David Leonard wrote: > > Yes, it was the high side filter. I don't have any low side filters. > Would be interested in a source for the self-cleaning fool-proof low side > filters that Al mentions. > > -- > David Leonard > > Turbo Rotary RV-6 N4VY > http://N4VY.RotaryRoster.net > http://RotaryRoster.net > > On Sun, Aug 5, 2012 at 6:34 AM, Tracy wrote: > >> I assume Al is referring to the pump intake side filter. So for the >> record, was it the inlet side or the high pressure side filter that >> clogged? ( Both are needed ) From the symptoms I'm guessing high side but >> not sure. >> >> BTW, nice job! >> >> Tracy >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >> On Aug 4, 2012, at 3:53 PM, "Al Wick" wrote: >> >> As long as your are rebuilding, tremendous safety improvement by using >> same fuel filter method that all cars use. No matter how much foreign >> material you throw at it, it can't clog. It minimizes pressure drop, so >> lower risk of vapor lock. Self cleaning filter. Self priming pumps. >> >> -Al Wick >> Cozy IV powered by RDM Subaru 3.0R. >> Expert at failure prevention methods, N9032U 240+ hours from Portland, >> Oregon >> Glass panel design, Subaru install, Prop construct, Risk assessment info: >> http://www.ez.org/pages/alwick/index.htm >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> *From:* Jeff Whaley >> *To:* Rotary motors in aircraft >> *Sent:* Saturday, August 04, 2012 1:38 PM >> *Subject:* [FlyRotary] Re: Rotary Forced Landing >> >> Dave, having gone through recently what you just experienced I would >> like to say GOOD JOB on getting down safely and with such little damage. >> Anyway at 1500 AGL there isn't a lot of time ... obviously you made the >> right choices. >> >> Jeff >> >> (Rebuilding my Ride) >> >> >> >> From: David Leonard Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] >> Fw: Fw: [FlyRotary] Rotary Forced Landing Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2012 06:18:47 >> -0700 To: Rotary motors in aircraft [image: >> Message Header] >> >> [image: Undecoded Message] >> Sigh.. >> >> Yup, that was me. I have been meaning to fess up. We were at about 1500 >> agl when the fuses blew on my fuel pumps. I was in a close formation of 40 >> aircraft at the time too. I think I got some bad MOGAS somewhere in Iowa as >> I did notice my fuel return flow creep downward but didn't think it was a >> big problem. >> >> On the incident flight, a one hour formation flight from SQI for a mass >> arrival at OSH, the return fuel flow drifted down to zero. I actually >> though it was a sensor problem. I didn't have the ability to give it a lot >> of attention because we were in a loose formation. Soon after we pulled it >> together for a tight formation power switched off. I tried to find a road, >> but quickly ran out of options and put it down in a bean field. With the >> beans hitting the flaps it brought me to a stop in about 200ft, just before >> I would have gone into the full grown corn. As mentioned, wheel pants broke >> in half but no other damage besides pulling bean leaves out of every nook >> and cranny. The farmers were very nice, and the stories are true... they >> have attractive daughters. They were out there barefoot in their Sunday >> best enjoying the excitement. Helped me clean the fuel filter and replace >> the fuses. Within a couple of hours I was able to take off from one of >> their driveways as they all waived good bye (but strangely, no one took me >> up on my offer for a ride). >> >> Landed at OSH just before dark to a reserved parking space and a very >> warm reception from the formation group and friends. Great support from >> everyone all around, though I am trying to avoid the obvious new call signs >> they are trying to give me. >> >> -- >> David Leonard >> >> This message, and the documents attached hereto, is intended only for the >> addressee and may contain privileged or confidential information. Any >> unauthorized disclosure is strictly prohibited. If you have received this >> message in error, please notify us immediately so that we may correct our >> internal records. Please then delete the original message. Thank you. >> >> > > > -- David Leonard Turbo Rotary RV-6 N4VY http://N4VY.RotaryRoster.net http://RotaryRoster.net --047d7b33cf9e6025c404c689f6de Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Yea, mine is an Earls cleanable high pressure with maybe 10 sq cm worth of = area.=A0 Will look into the Peterson.=A0 Thanks Tracy.

Dave Leonard<= br>
On Sun, Aug 5, 2012 at 10:48 AM, Tracy <rwstracy@gmail.com> wrote:
Al probably me= ans the filter that's on factory in-tank pumps. =A0OK, but very hard to= implement on RV wet-wing tanks. =A0 I used a gascolator for low side filte= r on my -4. =A0Worked OK and when it clogged, =A0switching on the backup pu= mp with main pump caused the screen disk to collapse and let fuel bypass it= . =A0 which is better than no fuel at all but not an ideal solution.

On the -8 i used a cleanable =A0Peterson filter with TO= NS of filter area, works great. =A0 That was a replacement for the Summit R= acing fuel filter with a filter element disk the size of a nickel. =A0It cl= ogged up in about about 5 hours of flight.

Tracy

Sent from my iPad
<= /div>

On Aug 5, 2012, at 10:18 AM, David Leo= nard <wdleonard= @gmail.com> wrote:

Yes, it was the high si= de filter.=A0 I don't have any low side filters.=A0 Would be interested= in a source for the self-cleaning fool-proof low side filters that Al ment= ions.

--
David Leonard

Turbo Rotary RV-6 N4VY
http://N4VY.Rota= ryRoster.net
h= ttp://RotaryRoster.net

On Sun, Aug 5,= 2012 at 6:34 AM, Tracy <rwstracy@gmail.com> wrote:
I assume Al is= referring to the pump intake side =A0filter. =A0 =A0So for the record, was= it the inlet side or the high pressure side filter that clogged? =A0( Both= are needed ) From the symptoms I'm guessing high side but not sure.

BTW, =A0nice job!

Tracy
Sent from my iPad

On Aug 4, 2012, at 3:53 PM, &quo= t;Al Wick" <al= wick@juno.com> wrote:

As long as your are rebuilding, tremendous safety improvement by using= same=20 fuel filter method that all cars use. No matter how much foreign material= =20 you=A0throw at it, it can't clog. It=A0minimizes pressure drop, so lowe= r=20 risk of vapor lock. Self cleaning filter. Self priming pumps.
=A0
-Al Wick
Cozy IV powered by RDM Subaru 3.0R.
Expert at failure= =20 prevention methods, N9032U 240+ hours from Portland, Oregon
Glass panel= =20 design, Subaru install, Prop construct, Risk assessment info:
http://www.ez.= org/pages/alwick/index.htm
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Jeff=20 Whaley
Sent: Saturday, August 04, 2012 1:3= 8=20 PM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Rotary For= ced=20 Landing

Dave, having gone through recently what you just experienced I would l= ike=20 to say GOOD JOB on getting down safely and with such little damage.=A0=20 Anyway at 1500 AGL there isn't a lot of time ... obviously you made t= he right=20 choices.

Jeff

(Rebuilding my Ride)

=A0

From: David Leonard <wdleonard@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Fw: Fw: [FlyRotary]=20 Rotary Forced Landing
Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2012 06:18:47 -0700
To: Rotary motors in aircraft=20 <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
= 		3D"Me=

=3D"Undecoded=20
Sigh..

Yup, that was me. I have been meaning to fess up. W= e=20 were at about 1500 agl when the fuses blew on my fuel pumps. I was = in a=20 close formation of 40 aircraft at the time too. I think I got some = bad=20 MOGAS somewhere in Iowa as I did notice my fuel return flow creep= =20 downward but didn't think it was a big problem.

On the = incident=20 flight, a one hour formation flight from SQI for a mass arrival at = OSH,=20 the return fuel flow drifted down to zero. I actually though it was= a=20 sensor problem. I didn't have the ability to give it a lot of a= ttention=20 because we were in a loose formation. Soon after we pulled it toget= her=20 for a tight formation power switched off. I tried to find a road, b= ut=20 quickly ran out of options and put it down in a bean field. With th= e=20 beans hitting the flaps it brought me to a stop in about 200ft, jus= t=20 before I would have gone into the full grown corn. As mentioned, wh= eel=20 pants broke in half but no other damage besides pulling bean leaves= out=20 of every nook and cranny. The farmers were very nice, and the stori= es=20 are true... they have attractive daughters. They were out there bar= efoot=20 in their Sunday best enjoying the excitement. Helped me clean the f= uel=20 filter and replace the fuses. Within a couple of hours I was able t= o=20 take off from one of their driveways as they all waived good bye (b= ut=20 strangely, no one took me up on my offer for a ride).

Landed= at=20 OSH just before dark to a reserved parking space and a very warm=20 reception from the formation group and friends. Great support from= =20 everyone all around, though I am trying to avoid the obvious new ca= ll=20 signs they are trying to give me.

--
David=20 Leonard

This message, and the= documents=20 attached hereto, is intended only for the addressee and may contain privi= leged=20 or confidential information. Any unauthorized disclosure is strictly=20 prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please notify us= =20 immediately so that we may correct our internal records. Please then dele= te=20 the original message. Thank you.






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David Leonard

Turbo Rotary RV-6 N4VY
http://N4VY.RotaryRoster.net
http://RotaryRoster.net
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