X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com ([75.180.132.120] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.0c1) with ESMTP id 5694056 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Sun, 05 Aug 2012 12:36:16 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=75.180.132.120; envelope-from=eanderson@carolina.rr.com Return-Path: X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.0 cv=QrvcLCOd c=1 sm=0 a=g3L/TDsr+eNLfIieSKfGkw==:17 a=AHkS0RJitIMA:10 a=Nj2d3xssSaMA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=N8B9JuSIAAAA:8 a=pGLkceISAAAA:8 a=NoAKp6exAAAA:8 a=qiXUx-lLAAAA:8 a=Ia-xEzejAAAA:8 a=oCcaPWc0AAAA:8 a=zwqvgS7_oZsSsaeEEsYA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=MSl-tDqOz04A:10 a=B0cvAcWxpcAA:10 a=EzXvWhQp4_cA:10 a=on22okXAAAAA:8 a=IBxjgorOxnAv4bnclUAA:9 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 a=tXsnliwV7b4A:10 a=at0Q5_2dr5wA:10 a=g3L/TDsr+eNLfIieSKfGkw==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-Originating-IP: 174.110.170.10 Received: from [174.110.170.10] ([174.110.170.10:55735] helo=EdPC) by cdptpa-oedge04.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id 3B/2C-28917-DD0AE105; Sun, 05 Aug 2012 16:35:42 +0000 Message-ID: From: "Ed Anderson" To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" References: In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: Rotary Forced Landing Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2012 12:35:39 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000D_01CD7306.D2577F40" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8117.416 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8117.416 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000D_01CD7306.D2577F40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I think Al is referring to in-tank filters/pumps found in most = automobiles these days.=20 Ed From: David Leonard=20 Sent: Sunday, August 05, 2012 12:18 PM To: Rotary motors in aircraft=20 Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Rotary Forced Landing Yes, it was the high side filter. I don't have any low side filters. = Would be interested in a source for the self-cleaning fool-proof low = side filters that Al mentions. --=20 David Leonard Turbo Rotary RV-6 N4VY http://N4VY.RotaryRoster.net http://RotaryRoster.net On Sun, Aug 5, 2012 at 6:34 AM, Tracy wrote: I assume Al is referring to the pump intake side filter. So for = the record, was it the inlet side or the high pressure side filter that = clogged? ( Both are needed ) From the symptoms I'm guessing high side = but not sure. BTW, nice job! Tracy Sent from my iPad On Aug 4, 2012, at 3:53 PM, "Al Wick" wrote: As long as your are rebuilding, tremendous safety improvement by = using same fuel filter method that all cars use. No matter how much = foreign material you throw at it, it can't clog. It minimizes pressure = drop, so lower risk of vapor lock. Self cleaning filter. Self priming = pumps.=20 -Al Wick Cozy IV powered by RDM Subaru 3.0R.=20 Expert at failure prevention methods, N9032U 240+ hours from = Portland, Oregon Glass panel design, Subaru install, Prop construct, Risk assessment = info: http://www.ez.org/pages/alwick/index.htm ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Jeff Whaley=20 To: Rotary motors in aircraft=20 Sent: Saturday, August 04, 2012 1:38 PM Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Rotary Forced Landing Dave, having gone through recently what you just experienced I = would like to say GOOD JOB on getting down safely and with such little = damage. Anyway at 1500 AGL there isn't a lot of time ... obviously you = made the right choices. Jeff (Rebuilding my Ride) From: David Leonard =20 Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Fw: Fw: [FlyRotary] = Rotary Forced Landing=20 Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2012 06:18:47 -0700=20 To: Rotary motors in aircraft = =20 =20 =20 =20 Sigh.. Yup, that was me. I have been meaning to fess up. We were at = about 1500 agl when the fuses blew on my fuel pumps. I was in a close = formation of 40 aircraft at the time too. I think I got some bad MOGAS = somewhere in Iowa as I did notice my fuel return flow creep downward but = didn't think it was a big problem.=20 On the incident flight, a one hour formation flight from SQI = for a mass arrival at OSH, the return fuel flow drifted down to zero. I = actually though it was a sensor problem. I didn't have the ability to = give it a lot of attention because we were in a loose formation. Soon = after we pulled it together for a tight formation power switched off. I = tried to find a road, but quickly ran out of options and put it down in = a bean field. With the beans hitting the flaps it brought me to a stop = in about 200ft, just before I would have gone into the full grown corn. = As mentioned, wheel pants broke in half but no other damage besides = pulling bean leaves out of every nook and cranny. The farmers were very = nice, and the stories are true... they have attractive daughters. They = were out there barefoot in their Sunday best enjoying the excitement. = Helped me clean the fuel filter and replace the fuses. Within a couple = of hours I was able to take off from one of their driveways as they all = waived good bye (but strangely, no one took me up on my offer for a = ride). Landed at OSH just before dark to a reserved parking space = and a very warm reception from the formation group and friends. Great = support from everyone all around, though I am trying to avoid the = obvious new call signs they are trying to give me. --=20 David Leonard =20 This message, and the documents attached hereto, is intended only = for the addressee and may contain privileged or confidential = information. Any unauthorized disclosure is strictly prohibited. If you = have received this message in error, please notify us immediately so = that we may correct our internal records. Please then delete the = original message. Thank you.=20 No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2197 / Virus Database: 2437/5179 - Release Date: = 08/05/12 ------=_NextPart_000_000D_01CD7306.D2577F40 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I think Al is referring to in-tank filters/pumps = found in=20 most automobiles these days. 
 
Ed

Sent: Sunday, August 05, 2012 12:18 PM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Rotary Forced = Landing

Yes, it was the high side filter.  I don't have any = low side=20 filters.  Would be interested in a source for the self-cleaning = fool-proof=20 low side filters that Al mentions.

--
David = Leonard

Turbo=20 Rotary RV-6 N4VY
http://N4VY.RotaryRoster.nethttp://RotaryRoster.net

On Sun, Aug 5, 2012 at 6:34 AM, Tracy <rwstracy@gmail.com> wrote:
I assume Al is referring to the pump intake side  filter. =  =20  So for the record, was it the inlet side or the high pressure = side=20 filter that clogged?  ( Both are needed ) From the symptoms I'm = guessing=20 high side but not sure.

BTW,  nice job!

Tracy

Sent from my iPad

On Aug 4, 2012, at 3:53 PM, "Al Wick" <alwick@juno.com>=20 wrote:

As long as your are rebuilding, tremendous safety improvement = by using=20 same fuel filter method that all cars use. No matter how much = foreign=20 material you throw at it, it can't clog. It minimizes = pressure=20 drop, so lower risk of vapor lock. Self cleaning filter. Self = priming pumps.=20
 
-Al Wick
Cozy IV powered by RDM Subaru 3.0R.
Expert at = failure=20 prevention methods, N9032U 240+ hours from Portland, Oregon
Glass = panel=20 design, Subaru install, Prop construct, Risk assessment info:
http://www.ez.org/pages/alwick/index.htm
----- Original Message ----- =
From: = Jeff Whaley
To: Rotary = motors in=20 aircraft
Sent: Saturday, August 04, = 2012 1:38=20 PM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: = Rotary=20 Forced Landing

Dave, having gone through recently what you just experienced I = would=20 like to say GOOD JOB on getting down safely and with such little=20 damage.  Anyway at 1500 AGL there isn't a lot of time ... = obviously=20 you made the right choices.

Jeff

(Rebuilding my Ride)

 

From: David Leonard <wdleonard@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Fw: Fw: [FlyRotary] Rotary = Forced=20 Landing
Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2012 06:18:47 -0700
To: Rotary motors in aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
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Yup, that was me. I have been meaning to = fess up.=20 We were at about 1500 agl when the fuses blew on my fuel = pumps. I=20 was in a close formation of 40 aircraft at the time too. I = think I=20 got some bad MOGAS somewhere in Iowa as I did notice my fuel = return=20 flow creep downward but didn't think it was a big problem.=20

On the incident flight, a one hour formation flight = from SQI=20 for a mass arrival at OSH, the return fuel flow drifted down = to=20 zero. I actually though it was a sensor problem. I didn't = have the=20 ability to give it a lot of attention because we were in a = loose=20 formation. Soon after we pulled it together for a tight = formation=20 power switched off. I tried to find a road, but quickly ran = out of=20 options and put it down in a bean field. With the beans = hitting the=20 flaps it brought me to a stop in about 200ft, just before I = would=20 have gone into the full grown corn. As mentioned, wheel = pants broke=20 in half but no other damage besides pulling bean leaves out = of every=20 nook and cranny. The farmers were very nice, and the stories = are=20 true... they have attractive daughters. They were out there = barefoot=20 in their Sunday best enjoying the excitement. Helped me = clean the=20 fuel filter and replace the fuses. Within a couple of hours = I was=20 able to take off from one of their driveways as they all = waived good=20 bye (but strangely, no one took me up on my offer for a=20 ride).

Landed at OSH just before dark to a reserved = parking=20 space and a very warm reception from the formation group and = friends. Great support from everyone all around, though I am = trying=20 to avoid the obvious new call signs they are trying to give=20 me.

--
David = Leonard

This message, and the documents attached hereto, is = intended=20 only for the addressee and may contain privileged or confidential=20 information. Any unauthorized disclosure is strictly prohibited. = If you=20 have received this message in error, please notify us immediately = so that=20 we may correct our internal records. Please then delete the = original=20 message. Thank you.=20
=

No virus found in this=20 message.
Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
Version: 2012.0.2197 / = Virus=20 Database: 2437/5179 - Release Date: 08/05/12

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