X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from mail-pb0-f52.google.com ([209.85.160.52] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.0c1) with ESMTPS id 5694042 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Sun, 05 Aug 2012 12:19:34 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=209.85.160.52; envelope-from=wdleonard@gmail.com Received: by pbcwz12 with SMTP id wz12so4016726pbc.25 for ; Sun, 05 Aug 2012 09:19:00 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=jUBYm6GjhcRB5+cSQX/mWT/Zo2BBCm+dRaCJ9GzXB+4=; b=Ko1rvKCSgv295A2Uh2SXF8RgMH0CadJXs8usIYwl5Tcleu2AevYcU3arQA1qgU3NP3 C+RtdUcBNwecg8FPOVMIlIgx0ad2uXkrnB4HFC8C9HcDj2s0gCjE9pp4ihphcnNL85nw BOGZFAnbx58PggKgHBI2Ac6k4iXSFiN+ZGxOvLAOpQ26Uk10GEbhNzJbIi/MhRqdFvih 5z2aGWpmGpUMF6QBaQbO/eNVErJ/xmozUiDGi9OQht3JjOdK8OREN72Ye4T8hOhbaQvA WGLwlkowuuG75bVlpnBScgQZH75apemooFuGO6oXlMsM14boVb6mqD6SdAtIyJ2NwSQ0 emMQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.68.220.104 with SMTP id pv8mr12592804pbc.119.1344183539775; Sun, 05 Aug 2012 09:18:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.68.21.163 with HTTP; Sun, 5 Aug 2012 09:18:59 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2012 09:18:59 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: Rotary Forced Landing From: David Leonard To: Rotary motors in aircraft Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=e89a8ff254cc66b83c04c6871ef2 --e89a8ff254cc66b83c04c6871ef2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Yes, it was the high side filter. I don't have any low side filters. Would be interested in a source for the self-cleaning fool-proof low side filters that Al mentions. -- David Leonard Turbo Rotary RV-6 N4VY http://N4VY.RotaryRoster.net http://RotaryRoster.net On Sun, Aug 5, 2012 at 6:34 AM, Tracy wrote: > I assume Al is referring to the pump intake side filter. So for the > record, was it the inlet side or the high pressure side filter that > clogged? ( Both are needed ) From the symptoms I'm guessing high side but > not sure. > > BTW, nice job! > > Tracy > > Sent from my iPad > > On Aug 4, 2012, at 3:53 PM, "Al Wick" wrote: > > As long as your are rebuilding, tremendous safety improvement by using > same fuel filter method that all cars use. No matter how much foreign > material you throw at it, it can't clog. It minimizes pressure drop, so > lower risk of vapor lock. Self cleaning filter. Self priming pumps. > > -Al Wick > Cozy IV powered by RDM Subaru 3.0R. > Expert at failure prevention methods, N9032U 240+ hours from Portland, > Oregon > Glass panel design, Subaru install, Prop construct, Risk assessment info: > http://www.ez.org/pages/alwick/index.htm > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Jeff Whaley > *To:* Rotary motors in aircraft > *Sent:* Saturday, August 04, 2012 1:38 PM > *Subject:* [FlyRotary] Re: Rotary Forced Landing > > Dave, having gone through recently what you just experienced I would > like to say GOOD JOB on getting down safely and with such little damage. > Anyway at 1500 AGL there isn't a lot of time ... obviously you made the > right choices. > > Jeff > > (Rebuilding my Ride) > > > > From: David Leonard Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] > Fw: Fw: [FlyRotary] Rotary Forced Landing Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2012 06:18:47 > -0700 To: Rotary motors in aircraft [image: > Message Header] > > [image: Undecoded Message] > Sigh.. > > Yup, that was me. I have been meaning to fess up. We were at about 1500 > agl when the fuses blew on my fuel pumps. I was in a close formation of 40 > aircraft at the time too. I think I got some bad MOGAS somewhere in Iowa as > I did notice my fuel return flow creep downward but didn't think it was a > big problem. > > On the incident flight, a one hour formation flight from SQI for a mass > arrival at OSH, the return fuel flow drifted down to zero. I actually > though it was a sensor problem. I didn't have the ability to give it a lot > of attention because we were in a loose formation. Soon after we pulled it > together for a tight formation power switched off. I tried to find a road, > but quickly ran out of options and put it down in a bean field. With the > beans hitting the flaps it brought me to a stop in about 200ft, just before > I would have gone into the full grown corn. As mentioned, wheel pants broke > in half but no other damage besides pulling bean leaves out of every nook > and cranny. The farmers were very nice, and the stories are true... they > have attractive daughters. They were out there barefoot in their Sunday > best enjoying the excitement. Helped me clean the fuel filter and replace > the fuses. Within a couple of hours I was able to take off from one of > their driveways as they all waived good bye (but strangely, no one took me > up on my offer for a ride). > > Landed at OSH just before dark to a reserved parking space and a very warm > reception from the formation group and friends. Great support from everyone > all around, though I am trying to avoid the obvious new call signs they are > trying to give me. > > -- > David Leonard > > This message, and the documents attached hereto, is intended only for the > addressee and may contain privileged or confidential information. Any > unauthorized disclosure is strictly prohibited. If you have received this > message in error, please notify us immediately so that we may correct our > internal records. Please then delete the original message. Thank you. > > --e89a8ff254cc66b83c04c6871ef2 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Yes, it was the high side filter.=A0 I don't have any low side filters.= =A0 Would be interested in a source for the self-cleaning fool-proof low si= de filters that Al mentions.

--
David Leonard

Turbo Rotar= y RV-6 N4VY
http://N4VY.RotaryRoster.nethttp://RotaryRoster.net

On Sun, Aug 5, 2012 at 6:34 AM, Tracy <rwstracy@= gmail.com> wrote:
I assume Al is= referring to the pump intake side =A0filter. =A0 =A0So for the record, was= it the inlet side or the high pressure side filter that clogged? =A0( Both= are needed ) From the symptoms I'm guessing high side but not sure.

BTW, =A0nice job!

Tracy
Sent from my iPad

On Aug 4, 2012, at = 3:53 PM, "Al Wick" <alwick@juno.com> wrote:

As long as your are rebuilding, tremendous safety improvement by using= same=20 fuel filter method that all cars use. No matter how much foreign material= =20 you=A0throw at it, it can't clog. It=A0minimizes pressure drop, so lowe= r=20 risk of vapor lock. Self cleaning filter. Self priming pumps.
=A0
-Al Wick
Cozy IV powered by RDM Subaru 3.0R.
Expert at failure= =20 prevention methods, N9032U 240+ hours from Portland, Oregon
Glass panel= =20 design, Subaru install, Prop construct, Risk assessment info:
http://www.ez.= org/pages/alwick/index.htm
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Jeff=20 Whaley
Sent: Saturday, August 04, 2012 1:3= 8=20 PM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Rotary For= ced=20 Landing

Dave, having gone through recently what you just experienced I would l= ike=20 to say GOOD JOB on getting down safely and with such little damage.=A0=20 Anyway at 1500 AGL there isn't a lot of time ... obviously you made t= he right=20 choices.

Jeff

(Rebuilding my Ride)

=A0

From: David Leonard <wdleonard@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Fw: Fw: [FlyRotary]=20 Rotary Forced Landing
Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2012 06:18:47 -0700
To: Rotary motors in aircraft=20 <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
= 		3D"Me=

=3D"Undecoded=20
Sigh..

Yup, that was me. I have been meaning to fess up. W= e=20 were at about 1500 agl when the fuses blew on my fuel pumps. I was = in a=20 close formation of 40 aircraft at the time too. I think I got some = bad=20 MOGAS somewhere in Iowa as I did notice my fuel return flow creep= =20 downward but didn't think it was a big problem.

On the = incident=20 flight, a one hour formation flight from SQI for a mass arrival at = OSH,=20 the return fuel flow drifted down to zero. I actually though it was= a=20 sensor problem. I didn't have the ability to give it a lot of a= ttention=20 because we were in a loose formation. Soon after we pulled it toget= her=20 for a tight formation power switched off. I tried to find a road, b= ut=20 quickly ran out of options and put it down in a bean field. With th= e=20 beans hitting the flaps it brought me to a stop in about 200ft, jus= t=20 before I would have gone into the full grown corn. As mentioned, wh= eel=20 pants broke in half but no other damage besides pulling bean leaves= out=20 of every nook and cranny. The farmers were very nice, and the stori= es=20 are true... they have attractive daughters. They were out there bar= efoot=20 in their Sunday best enjoying the excitement. Helped me clean the f= uel=20 filter and replace the fuses. Within a couple of hours I was able t= o=20 take off from one of their driveways as they all waived good bye (b= ut=20 strangely, no one took me up on my offer for a ride).

Landed= at=20 OSH just before dark to a reserved parking space and a very warm=20 reception from the formation group and friends. Great support from= =20 everyone all around, though I am trying to avoid the obvious new ca= ll=20 signs they are trying to give me.

--
David=20 Leonard

This message, and the= documents=20 attached hereto, is intended only for the addressee and may contain privi= leged=20 or confidential information. Any unauthorized disclosure is strictly=20 prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please notify us= =20 immediately so that we may correct our internal records. Please then dele= te=20 the original message. Thank you.



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