X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from elasmtp-curtail.atl.sa.earthlink.net ([209.86.89.64] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.4.4) with ESMTP id 5508041 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Thu, 26 Apr 2012 10:40:56 -0400 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=209.86.89.64; envelope-from=n360tg@earthlink.net DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=TfzVkehWX0iNf2DkfI4YSH/FdHg2pozeW+mAG6IE9ou3ViWEc7RvG2f56ly7F7Ve; h=Received:From:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Subject:Date:In-Reply-To:To:References:Message-Id:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [173.163.220.153] (helo=[192.168.6.62]) by elasmtp-curtail.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1SNPro-0003h0-BG for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Thu, 26 Apr 2012 10:40:20 -0400 From: Thomas Giddings Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-29-661734051 Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Rotary Powered RV-6A for Sale, Florida Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 10:40:19 -0400 In-Reply-To: To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" References: Message-Id: <82093BAE-6672-4F96-851B-DCD92F16F6D4@earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) X-ELNK-Trace: 77b0437ff618fec294f5150ab1c16ac07c540ca440b21de7e67b73665aae7162c8a4ed1bc15533f9350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 173.163.220.153 --Apple-Mail-29-661734051 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 I lived at Hidden Lakes Estates for many years and I have personally = seen this Airplane. If anyone is interested in my view. Feel free to = contact me by phone or email. KIND REGARDS Thomas Giddings n360tg@earthlink.net 727 858 1772 On Apr 26, 2012, at 10:28 AM, Ed Anderson wrote: > Hi Folks, > =20 > Posting this on behalf of Bill Hughes who is selling his Rotary = Powered RV-6A.=20 > If interested contact Bill directly, looks a great buy to me - but I = already have a rotary powered RV-6A. > =20 > His contact information:=20 > Contact: Bill Hughes, bhskyking@aol.com, 727-772-7773, = Cell727-692-8258. I attached a couple of the photos he sent me. > =20 > I edited his description a bit by cutting his text about the merits = of using a Rotary compared to a piston engine as you folks already know = that. If you want the full description contact Bill. > =20 > =20 > A lot more detail below > =20 > Best Regards > =20 > Ed >=20 > =46rom Bill Hughes: > =20 > Thanks Laura and Ed, > Here is a description of the RV-6A for sale. > =20 > .....SNIP........ > =20 > I'm Bill Hughes with the RV6A for sale. I live in Palm Harbor near = Clearwater, FL and the plane is in a hanger at Hidden Lakes Air Port in = New Port Richey, FL on Ridge Rd. 1.7 miles east of Little Road between = SR52 and SR54. The airport is FA40 on charts. > =20 > The plane has no damage history. > =20 > RV-6A, 116 TT, ROTARY POWERED, WITH MOGAS AND $1,000 MAJOR OH @ = 2000HR, FLY FAST FOR HALF THE COST, Bendix/King radio and transponder, = Whelen lights, Garmin 195, intercom, engine has redundant ignition, fuel = injection, and computer control. It has electric trim for ailerons and = elevator plus electric control of flaps. Always hangered and needs = additional paint because of 13B, lower cowling and nose wheel = modifiation. > Year: 1998 > Manufacture: VANS > Model: RV-6A > Price: $31,975. OBO, > =20 > Location: Tampa Bay, Hidden Lakes, New Port Richey > Always Hangered > Condition: needs attention to fiber glass fairings and paint > Serial Number: 22594 > Registration Number: N357BH > Airframe/Engine total time: 116 hours > Contact: Bill Hughes, bhskyking@aol.com, 727-772-7773, C727-692-8258 > =20 > I built this and another plane. The Airworthiness Certificate is dated = 1998. The plaque on the tail has my name engraved. Inspection is current = but according to EAA and legal forums at Sun-N-Fun, no one should sell a = home built experimental aircraft without the standard legal form = available from EAA which makes the buyer responsible for airworthiness. = If you are not an A&P, you would have to get one to sign the annual. > The engine is a Mazda 13B engine which is indestructible. There are = two very attractive options to this airplane and engine. > A. Buy and fly the plane for the cost of Van=92s Quick Build kit = $31,975. Or do not fly it and sell the engine, electronic engine control = and gear reduction to rotary enthusiast which should bring about $8000. = Buy a new Lycoming engine for about $28,000. Van's dynafoal mount is = orginal. So for about $52,000, you have an airframe with 116 hours and = brand new engine and some avionics. And you did not spend years = riveting. > =20 > .... SNIP....... > =20 > Tracy Crook at Real World Solutions designed and manufactures a gear = reduction that handles 400 HP and no failures. This plane has a very = similar unit that is shorter to avoid modification of Van=92s dynafocal = mount and has an even larger gear set from a truck transmission. Art = Luther has made several of these and none have failed. > Adequate cooling is done with a custom radiator, attention to airflow, = and two large oil coolers. One third of the engine heat is removed with = oil. With a high temperature exhaust system, there has never been any = problems with heat removal. I studied thermodynamics. > =20 > This engine and Tracy=92s engine control unit has two computers, two = redundant ignition systems, two spark plugs per rotor, two independent = fuel injection system/injectors and two redundant fuel pumps. > Now you say auto engines are not designed to operate at full power for = extended time. This engine design has been turbo charges to 400 HP and = raced at 11,000 rpm for hours. There is no crankshaft to break. The = eccentric shaft is two inches of straight steel with lobes. The rotors = turn at one third the RPM of the output eccentric shaft. At 175 mph = cruise, e-shaft at 5000 rpm, rotors turning 1667 rpm, prop at 2500 rpm, = the engine has no stress. > =20 > Tracy Crook has measured very little wear with a Mazda 13B engine at @ = 2000 hours in an RV-4. Over thousands of hours, the failure is slow wear = in seals which shows up as less compression and less static RPM. = Operating with mogas (regular auto gas) and less than $1000 for major = overhaul, over 2000 hours, the flying cost per hour is one-half that of = an aircraft engine. > =20 > The engine is rated at 190HP or more with tuned intake manifojld. The = newer RX8 Genesis engine is rated at 232 HP. These engines are available = from Bruce Turentine in Raleigh, NC who does an overhaul and = modification for aircraft. He imports them from Japan where all cars are = forced to be retired at three years. The price was $5000. The machine = work and gear reduction for this aircraft was another $9000. Tracy Crook = has led the 13B aircraft conversion with over 2000 hours on a 13B in a = RV-4 and very little wear. Tracy and I were Lockheed/Martin engineers. > =20 > Unlike other rotary conversions, I did not saw and weld to Van's = dynafocal engine mount. One can change to Lycoming engines and mount = directly to Van's original mount. > =20 > This plane is a RV-6/RV-6A convertible with the original RV-6 motor = mount, gear legs and tail wheel. It is easy to convert to tail dragger. > =20 > You may invest some effort in painting and sell the plane for a nice = profit. I have run out of time but not happy memories. > Thanks for your interest. > Sincerely, > Bill Hughes 727-772-7773, C727-692-8258, > =20 > =20 > Edward L. Anderson > Anderson Electronic Enterprises LLC > 305 Reefton Road > Weddington, NC 28104 > http://www.andersonee.com > http://www.eicommander.com > -- > Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ > Archive and UnSub: = http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/flyrotary/List.html --Apple-Mail-29-661734051 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 I = lived at Hidden Lakes Estates for many years and I have personally seen = this Airplane. If anyone is interested in my view. Feel free to contact = me by phone or email.
KIND = REGARDS
Thomas Giddings
72= 7 858 1772



On Apr 26, 2012, at 10:28 AM, Ed Anderson wrote:

Hi Folks,
 
Posting this on  behalf of Bill = Hughes who is=20 selling his Rotary Powered RV-6A. =20
If interested=20 contact Bill directly, looks a great buy to me - but I already have a = rotary=20 powered RV-6A.
 
His contact information: =20
Contact:=20 Bill Hughes, bhskyking@aol.com, 727-772-7773,=20 Cell727-692-8258.  I attached a couple of the photos he sent=20= me.

 

 I edited his=20 description a bit by cutting his text  about the merits of = using a=20 Rotary compared to a piston engine as you folks already know that.  = If you=20 want the full description contact Bill.
 

 

A lot = more detail=20 below

 

Best=20 Regards

 

Ed


=46rom Bill Hughes:
 
Thanks Laura and Ed,
Here is a description of the RV-6A for sale.
 
.....SNIP........
 
I'm Bill Hughes with the RV6A = for sale. I=20 live in Palm Harbor near Clearwater, FL and the plane is in a hanger at = Hidden=20 Lakes Air Port in New Port Richey, FL on Ridge Rd. 1.7 miles east of=20 Little Road between SR52 and SR54. The airport is FA40 on=20= charts.
 
 The plane has no damage=20= history.
 
RV-6A, 116 TT, ROTARY POWERED, = WITH MOGAS=20 AND $1,000 MAJOR OH @ 2000HR, FLY FAST FOR HALF THE=20 COST, Bendix/King radio and transponder, Whelen lights, = Garmin 195,=20 intercom, engine has redundant ignition, fuel injection, and computer=20 control. It has electric trim for ailerons and elevator = plus=20 electric control of flaps. Always hangered and needs = additional=20 paint because of 13B, lower cowling and nose wheel = modifiation.
Year: = 1998
Manufacture: = VANS
Model: RV-6A
Price: $31,975. = OBO,

 

Location: Tampa=20 Bay, Hidden Lakes, New Port Richey
Always = Hangered
Condition: needs attention to fiber glass = fairings=20 and paint
Serial=20 Number: 22594
Registration Number: = N357BH
Airframe/Engine total time: 116=20 hours
Contact: Bill Hughes, bhskyking@aol.com, 727-772-7773,=20 C727-692-8258
 
I built this and another plane. The = Airworthiness=20 Certificate is dated 1998. The plaque on the tail has my name engraved.=20= Inspection is current but according to EAA and legal forums at = Sun-N-Fun, no one=20 should sell a home built experimental aircraft without the standard = legal form=20 available from EAA which makes the buyer responsible for airworthiness. = If you=20 are not an A&P, you would have to get one to sign the=20 annual.
The = engine is a Mazda 13B engine which is=20 indestructible. There are two very attractive options to this airplane = and=20 engine.
A. = Buy and fly the plane for the cost of=20 Van=92s Quick Build kit $31,975. Or do not fly it and sell = the=20 engine, electronic engine control and gear reduction to rotary = enthusiast which=20 should bring about $8000. Buy a new Lycoming engine for = about=20 $28,000. Van's dynafoal mount is orginal. So for about = $52,000, you=20 have an airframe with 116 hours and brand new engine and some = avionics.=20 And you did not spend years riveting.

 

.... SNIP.......

 

 Tracy Crook at Real World=20 Solutions designed and manufactures a gear reduction that handles 400 HP = and no=20 failures. This plane has a very similar unit that is = shorter to=20 avoid modification of Van=92s dynafocal mount and has an even larger = gear set from=20 a truck transmission. Art Luther has made several of these = and none=20 have failed.
Adequate cooling = is done with a custom radiator,=20 attention to airflow, and two large oil coolers. One third = of the=20 engine heat is removed with oil. With a high temperature exhaust system, = there=20 has never been any problems with heat removal. I studied=20 thermodynamics.

 

This engine and Tracy=92s engine control = unit has two=20 computers, two redundant ignition systems, two spark plugs = per=20 rotor, two independent fuel injection system/injectors and two redundant = fuel=20 pumps.
Now you say auto = engines are not designed to operate=20 at full power for extended time. This engine design has = been turbo=20 charges to 400 HP and raced at 11,000 rpm for hours. There = is no=20 crankshaft to break. The eccentric shaft is two inches of = straight=20 steel with lobes. The rotors turn at one third the RPM of = the=20 output eccentric shaft. At 175 mph cruise, e-shaft at 5000 rpm, rotors = turning=20 1667 rpm, prop at 2500 rpm, the engine has no stress.

 

Tracy Crook has measured very little wear = with a=20 Mazda 13B engine at @ 2000 hours in an RV-4. Over thousands = of=20 hours, the failure is slow wear in seals which shows up as less = compression and=20 less static RPM. Operating with mogas (regular auto gas) and less than = $1000 for=20 major overhaul, over 2000 hours, the flying cost per hour is one-half = that of an=20 aircraft engine.
 
The engine is rated at 190HP or more with = tuned=20 intake manifojld. The newer RX8 Genesis engine is rated at 232 HP. These = engines=20 are available from Bruce Turentine in Raleigh,=20 NC who does an overhaul and modification for = aircraft. He=20 imports them from Japan where all cars are = forced to=20 be retired at three years. The price was $5000. The machine work and = gear=20 reduction for this aircraft was another $9000. Tracy Crook = has led=20 the 13B aircraft conversion with over 2000 hours on a 13B in a RV-4 and = very=20 little wear. Tracy and I were Lockheed/Martin engineers.=20
 
Unlike other = rotary conversions, I did not saw and=20 weld to Van's dynafocal engine mount. One can change to Lycoming engines = and=20 mount directly to Van's original mount.
 
This plane is a RV-6/RV-6A convertible with = the=20 original RV-6 motor mount, gear legs and tail wheel. It is = easy to=20 convert to tail dragger.

 

You may invest some effort in painting and = sell the=20 plane for a nice profit. I have run out of time but not = happy=20 memories.
Thanks for your = interest.
Sincerely,
Bill Hughes = 727-772-7773, C727-692-8258,

 

 
Edward L. Anderson
Anderson Electronic = Enterprises=20 LLC
305 Reefton Road
Weddington, NC 28104
http://www.andersonee.com
http://www.eicommander.com
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