X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from mail-bk0-f52.google.com ([209.85.214.52] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.4.4) with ESMTPS id 5475736 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Tue, 10 Apr 2012 12:38:03 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=209.85.214.52; envelope-from=msteitle@gmail.com Received: by bkcjm19 with SMTP id jm19so4305854bkc.25 for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2012 09:37:26 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=tUl9a9nAVK++XrwCDicbee/6IqSO3/0EdBRQfUxjmC0=; b=tr+GKJkTvNvbfl6JgOAHBoD2gBFlYTY9jDgylsg5j//cCUMSWbTqzChoovaOzs7gjR Krphi4FCShn1d29dzFP2E1j4I5Qt8SACqyaRb9Z+sHFjVe57tecfhXZIqxQPPPYLGYIr dxxCWnMqqg8d//WR6DFNijqNE+OySdH4pCEH7y4HnVk3vw7WwHfgiTmb/twesUNLrjlt 1+JyYiNOoZaPutQrrmUcOkReCN6DtPnHGxEFmPyRzlM4sRFDcO/rDf5CW/YTQo0xoZSy xV3S7i3c+4nPlvoaOFEL9eN0JXxK7F9YuOHpcp2+LxuPXPq4JLlPLHv840loHCBEl+1Q NZAg== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.131.74 with SMTP id w10mr5033368bks.84.1334075845980; Tue, 10 Apr 2012 09:37:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.205.118.139 with HTTP; Tue, 10 Apr 2012 09:37:25 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2012 11:37:25 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: OMP Plumbing From: Mark Steitle To: Rotary motors in aircraft Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=00151747bd0ce731e904bd55bc19 --00151747bd0ce731e904bd55bc19 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Great, thanks. Mark On Tue, Apr 10, 2012 at 8:39 AM, Tracy wrote: > Hi Mark, > Contact Laura at the engine parts office about the exchange. I'm > sure she can help you with that. > > Tracy > > Sent from my iPad > > On Apr 9, 2012, at 10:42 PM, Mark Steitle wrote: > > Kelly, > > Yes, I have the 20B OMP. I took it apart tonight and tried to figure it > out. It has two solenoids. Best I can determine, they take the place of > the mixture adjustment rod assy. on the 13b OMP. In other words, they move > the barrel valve in and out, changing the oil flow. With this figured out, > I could probably make it work for my purposes by locking the solenoid > plunger in the fully open position. Or, I could try to figure out what the > solenoid's nine wires do and then design a circuit to control it based on > MAP, RPM, etc. Since I'm not an EE or a programmer, that isn't likely, so > I think I will just lock it open and use a little more oil. > > BTW, the 20b OMP has 4 outlets, but one was plugged at the factory. So, > it only uses 3 outlets. I think in the long run, it will be easier to use > the 20b pump, and it should be a better match than the 13b OMP. I may try > a flow test if I can figure out how fast to spin it to simulate 7000 rpm. > At least I could compare the flow of the 13b to the 20b. > > Tracy - can I exchange the 13b OMP adapter (just arrived today) for a 20b > OMP adapter? > > Mark > > On Sun, Apr 8, 2012 at 10:34 PM, Kelly Troyer < > keltro@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Mark, Steve, >> Have to admit I had not thought of that little problem for the >> 20B.............Mark did your 20B >> come with a OMP ??.............I have a Cosmo 13B but have not paid any >> attention to the OMP >> so do not know as I type if it is like the 89-91 pump or like the 93-95 >> 13BREW pump or if the >> 20B pump has a completely different mount pad than the >> 13B..............Mark is your current >> front cover a 20B ?................. >> >> Kelly >> >> On Sun, Apr 8, 2012 at 8:29 PM, Steven W. Boese < >> SBoese@uwyo.edu> wrote: >> >>> Mark, >>> >>> >>> >>> Since the OMP 's I've seen are set up with 4 oil lines and intended for >>> a two rotor engine, how do you intend to adapt it to the three rotor >>> engine in terms of amount of oil metered and how it is distributed? >>> >>> >>> >>> Steve >>> >>> >>> >>> *From:* Mark Steitle >>> >>> *Sent:* Saturday, April 07, 2012 8:10 PM >>>>>> *To:* Rotary motors in aircraft >>>>>> *Subject:* [FlyRotary] OMP Plumbing >>>>>> >>>>>> Is anyone running an oil metering pump (OMP) that can help me >>>>>> figure out how the lines should be connected. I'm planning on using the >>>>>> Mazda banjo fittings to hook up to the OMP, but what do I do with the check >>>>>> valves. Do you connect the check valves to a vacuum source or just block >>>>>> them off? Will the system work properly if I plug the check valves? I >>>>>> plan on locking the lever in the full open position. Will this work for >>>>>> a/c use? I'll be using Richard Sohn's adapter with a 1 gallon reservoir >>>>>> filled with 2-stroke oil. >>>>>> >>>>>> Mark S. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> Kelly Troyer >> Dyke Delta_"Eventually" >> 13B_RD1C_EC2_EM2 >> > > --00151747bd0ce731e904bd55bc19 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Great, thanks.

Mark

On= Tue, Apr 10, 2012 at 8:39 AM, Tracy <rwstracy@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Mark,
=A0=A0 =A0Contact Laura at= the engine parts office about the exchange. =A0 I'm sure she can help = you with that.

Tracy

Sent= from my iPad

On Apr 9, 2012, at 10:42 PM, Mark Steitle = <msteitle@gmail.= com> wrote:

=
Kelly, =A0

Yes, I have the 20B OMP. = =A0I took it apart tonight and tried to figure it out. =A0It has two soleno= ids. =A0Best I can determine, they take the place of the mixture adjustment= rod assy. on the 13b OMP. =A0In other words, they move the barrel valve in= and out, changing the oil flow. =A0With this figured out, I could probably= make it work for my purposes by locking the solenoid plunger in the fully = open position. =A0Or, I could try to figure out what the solenoid's nin= e wires do and then design a circuit to control it based on MAP, RPM, etc. = =A0Since I'm not an EE or a programmer, that isn't likely, so I thi= nk I will just lock it open and use a little more oil.

BTW, the 20b OMP has 4 outlets, but one was plugged at = the factory. =A0So, it only uses 3 outlets. =A0I think in the long run, it = will be easier to use the 20b pump, and it should be a better match than th= e 13b OMP. =A0I may try a flow test if I can figure out how fast to spin it= to simulate 7000 rpm. =A0At least I could compare the flow of the 13b to t= he 20b. =A0=A0

Tracy - can I exchange the 13b OMP adapter (just arrive= d today) for a 20b OMP adapter?=A0

Mark=A0
On Sun, Apr 8, 2012 at 1= 0:34 PM, Kelly Troyer <keltro@gmail.com> wrote:
=A0=A0=A0 Mark,= Steve,
=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Have to admit I had not thought of that little p= roblem for the 20B.............Mark did your 20B
come with a OMP ??.............I have a Cosmo 13B but have not paid an= y attention to the OMP
so do not know as I type if it is like the 89-91 pump or like the 93-9= 5 13BREW pump or if the
20B pump has a completely different mount pad than the 13B............= ..Mark is your current
front cover a 20B ?.................
=A0
Kelly

On Sun, Apr 8, 2012 at 8= :29 PM, Steven W. Boese <SBoese@uwyo.edu> wrote:

Mark,

=A0

Since the OMP=A0's I've seen=A0are=A0set up with 4 oil lines and= intended for a two rotor engine, how do you intend to adapt it to the thre= e rotor engine=A0in terms of amount of oil metered and how it is distribute= d?

=A0

Steve

=A0

From: Mark Steitle=20

Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2012 8:10 PM
Subject: [FlyRotary] OMP Plumbing
=A0
Is anyone runnin= g an oil metering pump (OMP) that can help me figure out how the lines shou= ld be connected.=A0 I'm planning on using the Mazda banjo fittings to h= ook up to the OMP, but what do I do with the check valves.=A0 Do you connec= t the check valves to a vacuum source or just block them off?=A0 Will the s= ystem work properly if I plug the check valves?=A0 I plan on locking the le= ver in the full open position.=A0 Will this work for a/c use?=A0 I'll b= e using Richard Sohn's adapter with a 1 gallon reservoir filled with 2-= stroke oil.=A0=A0=A0=20
=A0
Mark S.
=A0


=A0



--
Kelly Troyer
Dyk= e Delta_"Eventually"
13B_RD1C_EC2_EM2


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