X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from willowsprings.uwyo.edu ([129.72.10.31] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.4.4) with ESMTPS id 5474270 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Mon, 09 Apr 2012 13:16:43 -0400 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=129.72.10.31; envelope-from=SBoese@uwyo.edu Received: from ponyexpress-ht3.uwyo.edu (extlb.uwyo.edu [172.26.4.4]) by willowsprings.uwyo.edu (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id q39HFd1P006635 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 9 Apr 2012 11:15:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from SBoese@uwyo.edu) Received: from ponyexpress-m10.uwyo.edu ([fe80::60dd:cb9e:6f71:3d48]) by ponyexpress-ht3.uwyo.edu ([fe80::4cde:db24:a0a9:ba5%15]) with mapi id 14.01.0339.001; Mon, 9 Apr 2012 11:15:50 -0600 From: "Steven W. Boese" To: Rotary motors in aircraft Subject: RE: [FlyRotary] Re: OMP Plumbing Thread-Topic: [FlyRotary] Re: OMP Plumbing Thread-Index: AQHNFlrydu6BTIiO7Em9xzznCiGsLJaSs91I Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2012 17:15:48 +0000 Message-ID: <3E8191F276108F4481AB0721BBA9269E05C38884@ponyexpress-m10.uwyo.edu> References: In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [75.220.94.18] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Mark, For the '86 OMP that I use, the two front ports of the OMP deliver oil to t= he rotor housings, the upper one to rotor 1 and the lower one to rotor 2. = The two rear (flywheel end) OMP ports deliver oil to the primary runners of= the lower intake manifold, the upper one to rotor 1 and the lower one to r= otor 2. The OMP is a positive displacement piston pump which operates simi= lar to a diesel injector pump where the piston reciprocates (with the strok= e determining the volume delivered) and also rotates (with the rotation pos= ition determining which ports the oil is delivered to). The piston on the = OMP has two different sections of different diameters with the larger diame= ter section delivering oil to the front OMP ports and the smaller diameter = section delivering oil to the rear OMP ports. The diameter of the larger s= ection is 3.75 mm (3.52 sq mm area)and the smaller section diameter is 2.65= mm (1.76 sq mm area). Since the two sections are part of the same piston,= the strokes of the two sections are the same, varying from 0.25 mm to 2.00= mm depending on the control rod position. So if one were to connect the t= wo rear ports together, that line would deliver the same flow rate of oil a= s each of the front ports. This would give 3 lines of equal flow rate. =20 You would have to decide whether to deliver the oil to the housing or the i= ntake runner whereas the '86 setup did both. The total oil flow rate for the 3 rotor engine would be in the neighborhood= of 2/3 of what the two rotor engine received relative to the amount of fue= l used. It appears to me that the stroke of the '86 OMP could be increased from 2 t= o 3 mm with judicious use of a die grinder, which would make the oil delive= red to each of the 3 rotors equivalent to the stock flow rate. This might = not be necessary and I haven't tried that. Steve =20 ________________________________________ From: Rotary motors in aircraft [flyrotary@lancaironline.net] on behalf of = Mark Steitle [msteitle@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, April 09, 2012 8:12 AM To: Rotary motors in aircraft Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: OMP Plumbing Tracy, How should I plumb the 4 lines for the 3-rotor. From your explanation, it seems it should have 6 lines (2 per rotor)? Even the 20b OMP only has 4-ports. Should I split the 4th line into three separate lines? Do you know of anyplace where I could read about how OMPs are connected from the factory? Thanks, Mark=