X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from imr-da04.mx.aol.com ([205.188.105.146] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.4.4) with ESMTP id 5472999 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Sun, 08 Apr 2012 10:26:00 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=205.188.105.146; envelope-from=CozyGirrrl@aol.com Received: from mtaomg-db03.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-db03.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.201]) by imr-da04.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q38EPOmt023827 for ; Sun, 8 Apr 2012 10:25:24 -0400 Received: from core-dsd004a.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-dsd004.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.253.141]) by mtaomg-db03.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 4A918E000087 for ; Sun, 8 Apr 2012 10:25:24 -0400 (EDT) From: CozyGirrrl@aol.com Message-ID: <4f437.55d26c7.3cb2f9d4@aol.com> Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2012 10:25:24 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: OMP Plumbing To: flyrotary@lancaironline.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_4f437.55d26c7.3cb2f9d4_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 9.6 sub 5004 X-Originating-IP: [69.154.218.131] x-aol-global-disposition: G DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=mx.aol.com; s=20110426; t=1333895124; bh=fFYsrKQ7VQF7Jk4xzYYxVIJ1Xbep2tWo+GjzB3p9w3k=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=xjpKU90p7EBo92Dh/qRCs/BniWVXPnjW4EvJqLD66FtPzodr0MSShx1UoscLRWuSW qfyTM6ATwud2gqK2zpD4jtzpRXGaJN63qVe/bSVcPGuYVLhyocZx2ISFTA20MyF+iD DBB+FOOFj+SAxK2ajeyAoiSl06RbWqkkJf3hkp7I= X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:460185152:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d33c94f819fd41027 --part1_4f437.55d26c7.3cb2f9d4_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Richard, Where would you plumb the vacuum line in case of turbo? Chrissi & Randi _www.CozyGirrrl.com_ (http://www.cozygirrrl.com/) CG Products, Custom Aircraft Hardware Chairwomen, Sun-N-Fun Engine Workshop In a message dated 4/8/2012 8:57:02 A.M. Central Daylight Time, res12@fairpoint.net writes: Mark, this pump uses an o-ring. It is the same o-ring on the pump and the adapter. I have some laying around. Let me know if you need them, and I will put two in an envelope. Need a mailing address on my private email. Richard Sohn N2071U http://www.fairpoint.net/~res12/home.html From: _Mark Steitle_ (mailto:msteitle@gmail.com) Sent: Sunday, April 08, 2012 8:40 AM To: _Rotary motors in aircraft_ (mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net) Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: OMP Plumbing Kelly, Wouldn't you know, I found my 13b front cover. As they say, "If it had been a snake, it would have bit me." So, you can keep the one you have (maybe make a clock out of it). It is off an '89 6-port engine. The pump I have is off the same engine, so everything fits. Anybody know where I can get a gasket to fit this pump? Mark On Sat, Apr 7, 2012 at 10:30 PM, Kelly Troyer <_keltro@gmail.com_ (mailto:keltro@gmail.com) > wrote: Mark, Do you have a 86-88 or 89-91 metering pump ?.............I have both covers but Richard's adapters are different for these model years............. Kelly On Sat, Apr 7, 2012 at 10:09 PM, Mark Steitle <_msteitle@gmail.com_ (mailto:msteitle@gmail.com) > wrote: Richard, Thanks for the great information. That supports what instinct was telling me. So, anywhere upstream of the butterfly should work? I'm running three 1-barrel throttle-bodies on my p-port 3-rotor. If I understand you, I should hook the check valve for each rotor upstream of the respective TB butterfly, correct? Mark On Sat, Apr 7, 2012 at 9:54 PM, Richard Sohn <_res12@fairpoint.net_ (mailto:res12@fairpoint.net) > wrote: Mark, you need the injection check valves hooked up to your intake plenum. The oil intake only works with the pressure difference between the combustion chamber and the plenum during the intake cycle. The check valve prevents oil from being pushed into the vacuum lines by reverse pressure fluctuations. As far as the control lever is concerned, you have a good plan. You may want to make the lever position adjustable so you can set the oil consumption to a level that makes you and the engine feel good. FWIW Richard Sohn N2071U _http://www.fairpoint.net/~res12/home.html_ (http://www.fairpoint.net/~res12/home.html) From: _Mark Steitle_ (mailto:msteitle@gmail.com) Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2012 8:10 PM To: _Rotary motors in aircraft_ (mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net) Subject: [FlyRotary] OMP Plumbing Is anyone running an oil metering pump (OMP) that can help me figure out how the lines should be connected. I'm planning on using the Mazda banjo fittings to hook up to the OMP, but what do I do with the check valves. Do you connect the check valves to a vacuum source or just block them off? Will the system work properly if I plug the check valves? I plan on locking the lever in the full open position. Will this work for a/c use? I'll be using Richard Sohn's adapter with a 1 gallon reservoir filled with 2-stroke oil. Mark S. --part1_4f437.55d26c7.3cb2f9d4_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Richard, Where would you plumb the vacuum line in case of turbo?
 
Chrissi &=20 Randi
www.CozyGirrrl.com
C= G=20 Products, Custom Aircraft Hardware
Chairwomen, Sun-N-Fun Engine Workshop=
 
In a message dated 4/8/2012 8:57:02 A.M. Central Daylight Time,=20 res12@fairpoint.net writes:
=
Mark, this pump uses an o-ring. It is the same o-ring on the pump an= d the=20 adapter. I have some laying around. Let me know if you need them, and I w= ill=20 put two in an envelope.
Need a mailing address on my private email.
 
Ri= chard=20 Sohn
N2071U

http://www.fairpoint.net/~res12/home.html
 
Sent: Sunday, April 08, 2012 8:40 AM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: OMP Plumbing
 
= Kelly, =20
 
Wouldn't you know, I found my 13b front cover.  As they say, "I= f it=20 had been a snake, it would have bit me."  So, you can keep the one y= ou=20 have (maybe make a clock out of it).  It is off an '89 6-port=20 engine.  The pump I have is off the same engine, so everything=20 fits.  Anybody know where I can get a gasket to fit this pump?
 
Mark


On Sat, Apr 7, 2012 at 10:30 PM, Kelly Troyer <keltro@gmail.com> wrote:
Mark,
    Do you have a 86-88  or 89-91 metering pum= p=20 ?.............I have both covers but Richard's adapters are different
for these model years.............
 
Kelly
On Sat, Apr 7, 2012 at 10:09 PM, Mark Steitle <msteitle@gmail.com> wrote:
Richard, =20
 
Thanks for the great information.  That supports what insti= nct=20 was telling me.  So, anywhere upstream of the butterfly should= =20 work?  I'm running three 1-barrel throttle-bodies on my p-port= =20 3-rotor.  If I understand you, I should hook the check valve for= each=20 rotor upstream of the respective TB butterfly, correct?
 
Mark

On Sat, Apr 7, 2012 at 9:54 PM, Richard Sohn <= ;res12@fairpoint.net> wrote:
Mark,
 
you need the injection check valves hooked up to your intake= =20 plenum. The oil intake only works with the pressure difference betw= een=20 the combustion chamber and the plenum during the intake cycle. The = check=20 valve prevents oil from being pushed into the vacuum lines by rever= se=20 pressure fluctuations.
As far as the control lever is concerned, you have a good plan= . You=20 may want to make the lever position adjustable so you can set the o= il=20 consumption to a level that makes you and the engine feel good.
FWIW
 
=
 
From: Mark Steitle=
Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2012 8:10 PM
Subject: [FlyRotary] OMP=20 Plumbing
 
Is=20 anyone running an oil metering pump (OMP) that can help me figure o= ut=20 how the lines should be connected.  I'm planning on using the = Mazda=20 banjo fittings to hook up to the OMP, but what do I do with the che= ck=20 valves.  Do you connect the check valves to a vacuum source or= just=20 block them off?  Will the system work properly if I plug the c= heck=20 valves?  I plan on locking the lever in the full open=20 position.  Will this work for a/c use?  I'll be using Ric= hard=20 Sohn's adapter with a 1 gallon reservoir filled with 2-stroke=20 oil.   =20
 
Mark=20 S.
 

 
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