X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com ([75.180.132.120] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.4.4) with ESMTP id 5446887 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Sun, 18 Mar 2012 12:54:14 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=75.180.132.120; envelope-from=eanderson@carolina.rr.com Return-Path: X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.0 cv=FOSZNpUs c=1 sm=0 a=g3L/TDsr+eNLfIieSKfGkw==:17 a=AHkS0RJitIMA:10 a=N0vV3tUH_AkA:10 a=Ia-xEzejAAAA:8 a=zC8CddeAAAAA:8 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=3oc9M9_CAAAA:8 a=MXA7twOZzYnYCOsck6YA:9 a=leXDoxIHUHM65WK0T7oA:7 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=SdAiOhu5P1oA:10 a=EzXvWhQp4_cA:10 a=U8Ie8EnqySEA:10 a=GvZ6Npn6NgZ8wU70:21 a=5-Wv0AnrxjVs-dun:21 a=pedpZTtsAAAA:8 a=pGLkceISAAAA:8 a=sYHxKiF3u7UN5POgS8MA:9 a=AqrLFFZ33YrQnqVvzpEA:7 a=gKO2Hq4RSVkA:10 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 a=frz4AuCg-hUA:10 a=tXsnliwV7b4A:10 a=eJojReuL3h0A:10 a=MSl-tDqOz04A:10 a=HIjJ1hSpnf9Eb-_I:21 a=2kgHfda5ytAKWf2t:21 a=g3L/TDsr+eNLfIieSKfGkw==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-Originating-IP: 174.110.170.10 Received: from [174.110.170.10] ([174.110.170.10:53787] helo=EdPC) by cdptpa-oedge02.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id D7/BA-21438-213166F4; Sun, 18 Mar 2012 16:53:38 +0000 Message-ID: <3D1CF618E85E416B9C50E8CC1A1439CA@EdPC> From: "Ed Anderson" To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" References: In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: Ed Anderson's old "ride", off topic Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2012 12:53:24 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0009_01CD0506.1AC84E90" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8117.416 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8117.416 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01CD0506.1AC84E90 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable One could certainly make a case for that theory {:>) Ed From: Bill Bradburry=20 Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2012 12:25 PM To: Rotary motors in aircraft=20 Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Ed Anderson's old "ride", off topic Do does this mean that the engine destroying gremlin that rides on your = shoulder has been around for a long time??? :>) =20 B2 =20 -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ------- From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On = Behalf Of Ed Anderson Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2012 11:24 AM To: Rotary motors in aircraft Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Ed Anderson's old "ride", off topic =20 In fact, my first ever flight in an EB-66 was in Southeast Asia. We EWs = only got to "fly" in a simulator at Shaw AFB, SC before deploying to = SEA. On that first "orientation" flight - we did come back on one = engine, so the while the airframe was quite good (and strong - could do = a split S in this twin engine bomber), the engines sucked - but, not all = the time {:>) =20 Thanks for the link to the history of the aircraft, Kelly =20 Ed =20 From: Kelly Troyer=20 Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2012 10:56 AM To: Rotary motors in aircraft=20 Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Ed Anderson's old "ride", off topic =20 Ed, =20 Were you trying to say that the Allison J71 did not give you a warm = fuzzy feeling of confdence??......................<:) =20 http://www.vectorsite.net/avskywar.html#m6 =20 =20 Kelly Troyer =20 =20 =20 On Sun, Mar 18, 2012 at 7:50 AM, Ed Anderson = wrote: Yes, we envied the Navy guys as the AD1 had a much more powerful (and = reliable) engine than the Air Force B-66. I remember seeing many EB-66s = sitting on the ramp with one or more engines missing. Wasn't this later = called the A3D? As I recall the Navy guys said it stood for "All 3 = Dead" - the SkyWarrior normally had a crew of 3. =20 We used to joke about having two engines was good. Two to go out on and = one to come home on. =20 I lost a friend due to those lousy engines. As was not uncommon, he was = returning on one engine at night, attempted to make a go around and the = other engine blew - no time for anyone to get out. Aways sad to lose a = friend, but particularly due to faulty equipment. =20 Ed =20 From: Lehanover@aol.com=20 Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2012 7:12 AM To: Rotary motors in aircraft=20 Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Ed Anderson's old "ride", off topic =20 The aircraft was actually developed for the Navy as the AD1 Sky Warrior. = Then later mods for the Air Force as the RB66. I watched many launch and = recover from the USS Forrestal. =20 Look here: http://www.vectorsite.net/avskywar.html =20 Lynn E. Hanover AO3 USS Forrestal =20 In a message dated 3/17/2012 7:00:12 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, = eanderson@carolina.rr.com writes: Actually, Bill, being the EW, I flew to the right and back of the = pilot in=20 the E model - so that was the seat cushion that needed replacing {:>). The interesting thing is that when the crap hits the fan, your = training=20 kicks in and you are so busy twisting knobs, making radio calls, = listening=20 to the radar and missile guidance signals to tell what mode they are = in=20 ....etc, that you really don't have time to get scared. Its not until = you=20 get back and down that the reaction kicks in. I guess in my case, at = least,=20 it was the old - it won't be me they get. I mean how could you really = go=20 back out day after day unless you believed that. But, after returning from that long 11 hour mission (several air=20 refuelings), I got debriefed, got a bite to eat and hit the Officers = club=20 bar around 1100PM. Had a few drinks, went to the bungalo - slept 45=20 minutes, woke up wide awake and couldn't go back to sleep for 48 = hours. Its=20 when things get quite that the reflection takes ahold and you relive = the=20 incident - with enough time to get scared. Actually, I have been more scare flying my rotary powered aircraft - = because=20 in a 12 mile guild for example, you've got plenty of time to think = {:>) Ed --=20 Kelly Troyer Dyke Delta_"Eventually" 13B_RD1C_EC2_EM2 ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01CD0506.1AC84E90 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
One could certainly make a case for that theory=20 {:>)
 
Ed

From: Bill Bradburry
Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2012 12:25 PM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Ed Anderson's old "ride", off=20 topic

Do does this = mean that=20 the engine destroying gremlin that rides on your shoulder has been = around for a=20 long time???  :>)

 

B2

 

From:=20 Rotary motors in aircraft=20 [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On=20 Behalf Of Ed Anderson
Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2012 = 11:24=20 AM
To: = Rotary motors in aircraft
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Ed = Anderson's old=20 "ride", off topic

 

In fact, my first ever = flight in an=20 EB-66 was in Southeast Asia.  We = EWs only=20 got to "fly" in a simulator at Shaw AFB, SC before deploying to = SEA.  =20 On that first "orientation" flight - we did come back on one engine, so = the=20 while the airframe was quite good (and strong - could do a split S in = this twin=20 engine bomber), the engines sucked - but, not all the time=20 {:>)

 

Thanks for the link to the = history=20 of the aircraft, Kelly

 

Ed

 

From: Kelly = Troyer=20

Sent: Sunday,=20 March 18, 2012 10:56 AM

To: Rotary motors in = aircraft=20

Subject:=20 [FlyRotary] Re: Ed Anderson's old "ride", off=20 topic

 

Ed,

 

 Were you trying to say that the = Allison J71=20 did not give you a warm fuzzy feeling of=20 confdence??......................<:)

 

http://www.vectorsite= .net/avskywar.html#m6

 

 

Kelly = Troyer

 

 

 

On Sun, Mar 18, 2012 at 7:50 AM, Ed Anderson = <eanderson@carolina.rr.com&g= t;=20 wrote:

Yes, we envied the Navy = guys as the=20 AD1 had a much more powerful (and reliable) engine than the Air Force=20 B-66.  I remember seeing many EB-66s sitting on the ramp with one = or more=20 engines missing.  Wasn't this later called the A3D?  As I = recall the=20 Navy guys said it stood for "All 3 Dead" - the SkyWarrior normally had a = crew of=20 3.

 

We used to joke about = having two=20 engines was good.  Two to go out on and one to come home on. =20

I lost a friend due to = those lousy=20 engines.  As was not uncommon, he was returning on one engine at = night,=20 attempted to make a go around and the other engine blew - no time for = anyone to=20 get out.  Aways sad to lose a friend, but particularly due to = faulty=20 equipment.

 

Ed

 

From: Lehanover@aol.com=20

Sent: Sunday,=20 March 18, 2012 7:12 AM

To: Rotary motors in aircraft=20

Subject:=20 [FlyRotary] Re: Ed Anderson's old "ride", off=20 topic

 

The aircraft = was=20 actually developed for the Navy as the AD1 Sky Warrior. Then later mods = for the=20 Air Force as the RB66. I watched many launch and recover from the USS=20 Forrestal.

 

Look here: = http://www.vectorsite.net/avskywar.html

 

Lynn E.=20 Hanover

AO3 USS=20 Forrestal

 

In a message = dated=20 3/17/2012 7:00:12 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, eanderson@carolina.rr.com=20 writes:

Actually, = Bill,=20 being the EW,  I flew to the right and back of the pilot in =
the E=20 model - so that was the seat cushion that needed replacing = {:>).

The=20 interesting thing is that when the crap hits the fan,  your = training=20
kicks in and you are so busy twisting knobs, making radio calls, = listening=20
to the radar and missile guidance signals to tell what mode they = are in=20
....etc, that you really don't have time to get scared.  Its = not=20 until you
get back and down that the reaction kicks in.  I = guess in=20 my case, at least,
it was the old - it won't be me they get.  = I mean=20 how could you really go
back out day after day unless you believed = that.

But, after returning from that long 11 hour mission = (several air=20
refuelings), I got debriefed, got a bite to eat and hit the = Officers club=20
bar around 1100PM.  Had a few drinks, went to the bungalo - = slept 45=20
minutes, woke up wide awake and couldn't go back to sleep for 48=20 hours.  Its
when things get quite that the reflection takes = ahold and=20 you relive the
incident - with enough time to get = scared.

Actually,=20 I have been more scare flying my rotary powered aircraft - because =
in a 12=20 mile guild for example, you've got plenty of time to think=20 {:>)

Ed

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Dyke=20 Delta_"Eventually"
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