X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from fmailhost01.isp.att.net ([204.127.217.101] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.4.4) with ESMTP id 5446866 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Sun, 18 Mar 2012 12:26:03 -0400 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=204.127.217.101; envelope-from=bbradburry@bellsouth.net Received: from desktop (adsl-98-85-92-166.mco.bellsouth.net[98.85.92.166]) by isp.att.net (frfwmhc01) with SMTP id <20120318162526H0100gdn93e>; Sun, 18 Mar 2012 16:25:27 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [98.85.92.166] From: "Bill Bradburry" To: "'Rotary motors in aircraft'" References: In-Reply-To: Subject: RE: [FlyRotary] Re: Ed Anderson's old "ride", off topic Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2012 12:25:26 -0400 Message-ID: <556A5AFCC6DB44DCA7FE897BEBB32BFE@Desktop> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0006_01CD0502.33C47940" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: Ac0FGzetzGDEcBT6Q56Ii/IW/jGK9AACFYeA X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6002.18463 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0006_01CD0502.33C47940 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Do does this mean that the engine destroying gremlin that rides on your shoulder has been around for a long time??? :>) B2 _____ From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Ed Anderson Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2012 11:24 AM To: Rotary motors in aircraft Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Ed Anderson's old "ride", off topic In fact, my first ever flight in an EB-66 was in Southeast Asia. We EWs only got to "fly" in a simulator at Shaw AFB, SC before deploying to SEA. On that first "orientation" flight - we did come back on one engine, so the while the airframe was quite good (and strong - could do a split S in this twin engine bomber), the engines sucked - but, not all the time {:>) Thanks for the link to the history of the aircraft, Kelly Ed From: Kelly Troyer Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2012 10:56 AM To: Rotary motors in aircraft Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Ed Anderson's old "ride", off topic Ed, Were you trying to say that the Allison J71 did not give you a warm fuzzy feeling of confdence??......................<:) http://www.vectorsite.net/avskywar.html#m6 Kelly Troyer On Sun, Mar 18, 2012 at 7:50 AM, Ed Anderson wrote: Yes, we envied the Navy guys as the AD1 had a much more powerful (and reliable) engine than the Air Force B-66. I remember seeing many EB-66s sitting on the ramp with one or more engines missing. Wasn't this later called the A3D? As I recall the Navy guys said it stood for "All 3 Dead" - the SkyWarrior normally had a crew of 3. We used to joke about having two engines was good. Two to go out on and one to come home on. I lost a friend due to those lousy engines. As was not uncommon, he was returning on one engine at night, attempted to make a go around and the other engine blew - no time for anyone to get out. Aways sad to lose a friend, but particularly due to faulty equipment. Ed From: Lehanover@aol.com Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2012 7:12 AM To: Rotary motors in aircraft Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Ed Anderson's old "ride", off topic The aircraft was actually developed for the Navy as the AD1 Sky Warrior. Then later mods for the Air Force as the RB66. I watched many launch and recover from the USS Forrestal. Look here: http://www.vectorsite.net/avskywar.html Lynn E. Hanover AO3 USS Forrestal In a message dated 3/17/2012 7:00:12 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, eanderson@carolina.rr.com writes: Actually, Bill, being the EW, I flew to the right and back of the pilot in the E model - so that was the seat cushion that needed replacing {:>). The interesting thing is that when the crap hits the fan, your training kicks in and you are so busy twisting knobs, making radio calls, listening to the radar and missile guidance signals to tell what mode they are in ....etc, that you really don't have time to get scared. Its not until you get back and down that the reaction kicks in. I guess in my case, at least, it was the old - it won't be me they get. I mean how could you really go back out day after day unless you believed that. But, after returning from that long 11 hour mission (several air refuelings), I got debriefed, got a bite to eat and hit the Officers club bar around 1100PM. Had a few drinks, went to the bungalo - slept 45 minutes, woke up wide awake and couldn't go back to sleep for 48 hours. Its when things get quite that the reflection takes ahold and you relive the incident - with enough time to get scared. Actually, I have been more scare flying my rotary powered aircraft - because in a 12 mile guild for example, you've got plenty of time to think {:>) Ed -- Kelly Troyer Dyke Delta_"Eventually" 13B_RD1C_EC2_EM2 ------=_NextPart_000_0006_01CD0502.33C47940 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Do does this mean that the engine destroying gremlin that rides on your shoulder has been around for a = long time???  :>)

 

B2

 

From: = Rotary motors in aircraft = [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Ed = Anderson
Sent: Sunday, March 18, = 2012 11:24 AM
To: Rotary motors in aircraft
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: = Ed Anderson's old "ride", off topic

 

In fact, my first ever flight in an EB-66 was in = Southeast Asia.  We EWs only got to = "fly" in a simulator at Shaw AFB, SC before deploying to SEA.   On = that first "orientation" flight - we did come back on one engine, = so the while the airframe was quite good (and strong - could do a split S in = this twin engine bomber), the engines sucked - but, not all the time = {:>)

 

Thanks for the link to the history of the aircraft, = Kelly

 

Ed

 

Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2012 10:56 AM

Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Ed Anderson's old "ride", off = topic

 

Ed,

 

 Were you trying to say that the Allison J71 did not = give you a warm fuzzy feeling of = confdence??......................<:)

 

 

 

Kelly Troyer

 

 

 

On Sun, Mar 18, 2012 at 7:50 AM, Ed Anderson <eanderson@carolina.rr.com> wrote:

Yes, we envied the Navy guys as the AD1 had a much = more powerful (and reliable) engine than the Air Force B-66.  I remember = seeing many EB-66s sitting on the ramp with one or more engines missing.  = Wasn't this later called the A3D?  As I recall the Navy guys said it stood = for "All 3 Dead" - the SkyWarrior normally had a crew of = 3.

 

We used to joke about having two engines was = good.  Two to go out on and one to come home on.  =

I lost a friend due to those lousy engines.  As = was not uncommon, he was returning on one engine at night, attempted to make a = go around and the other engine blew - no time for anyone to get out.  = Aways sad to lose a friend, but particularly due to faulty = equipment.

 

Ed

 

Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2012 7:12 AM

Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Ed Anderson's old "ride", off = topic

 

The aircraft was actually = developed for the Navy as the AD1 Sky Warrior. Then later mods for the Air Force as = the RB66. I watched many launch and recover from the USS = Forrestal.

 

=

 

=

Lynn E. = Hanover

AO3 USS = Forrestal

 

=

In a message dated 3/17/2012 = 7:00:12 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, eanderson@carolina.rr.com = writes:

Actually, Bill, being the EW,  I flew to the right and back of the pilot in =
the E model - so that was the seat cushion that needed replacing = {:>).

The interesting thing is that when the crap hits the fan,  your = training
kicks in and you are so busy twisting knobs, making radio calls, = listening
to the radar and missile guidance signals to tell what mode they are in =
....etc, that you really don't have time to get scared.  Its not = until you
get back and down that the reaction kicks in.  I guess in my case, = at least,
it was the old - it won't be me they get.  I mean how could you = really go
back out day after day unless you believed that.

But, after returning from that long 11 hour mission (several air
refuelings), I got debriefed, got a bite to eat and hit the Officers = club
bar around 1100PM.  Had a few drinks, went to the bungalo - slept = 45
minutes, woke up wide awake and couldn't go back to sleep for 48 = hours.  Its
when things get quite that the reflection takes ahold and you relive the =
incident - with enough time to get scared.

Actually, I have been more scare flying my rotary powered aircraft - = because
in a 12 mile guild for example, you've got plenty of time to think = {:>)

Ed




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Kelly Troyer
Dyke Delta_"Eventually"
13B_RD1C_EC2_EM2

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