X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com ([75.180.132.120] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.4.4) with ESMTP id 5446826 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Sun, 18 Mar 2012 11:24:30 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=75.180.132.120; envelope-from=eanderson@carolina.rr.com Return-Path: X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.0 cv=FOSZNpUs c=1 sm=0 a=g3L/TDsr+eNLfIieSKfGkw==:17 a=AHkS0RJitIMA:10 a=N0vV3tUH_AkA:10 a=zC8CddeAAAAA:8 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=3oc9M9_CAAAA:8 a=m7Qb4YFUAhM24rNjCjUA:9 a=02gXKuj2pcOLJ6fDyHEA:7 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=SdAiOhu5P1oA:10 a=U8Ie8EnqySEA:10 a=pGLkceISAAAA:8 a=Ia-xEzejAAAA:8 a=lFGLNDBs1XgkqCr95-cA:9 a=PcG8Qi3fah1s-YSkPfIA:7 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 a=tXsnliwV7b4A:10 a=MSl-tDqOz04A:10 a=EzXvWhQp4_cA:10 a=g3L/TDsr+eNLfIieSKfGkw==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-Originating-IP: 174.110.170.10 Received: from [174.110.170.10] ([174.110.170.10:50941] helo=EdPC) by cdptpa-oedge02.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id 12/58-21438-A0EF56F4; Sun, 18 Mar 2012 15:23:55 +0000 Message-ID: From: "Ed Anderson" To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" References: In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: Ed Anderson's old "ride", off topic Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2012 11:23:40 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0010_01CD04F9.92180D30" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8117.416 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8117.416 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0010_01CD04F9.92180D30 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In fact, my first ever flight in an EB-66 was in Southeast Asia. We EWs = only got to "fly" in a simulator at Shaw AFB, SC before deploying to = SEA. On that first "orientation" flight - we did come back on one = engine, so the while the airframe was quite good (and strong - could do = a split S in this twin engine bomber), the engines sucked - but, not all = the time {:>) Thanks for the link to the history of the aircraft, Kelly Ed From: Kelly Troyer=20 Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2012 10:56 AM To: Rotary motors in aircraft=20 Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Ed Anderson's old "ride", off topic Ed, Were you trying to say that the Allison J71 did not give you a warm = fuzzy feeling of confdence??......................<:) http://www.vectorsite.net/avskywar.html#m6 Kelly Troyer On Sun, Mar 18, 2012 at 7:50 AM, Ed Anderson = wrote: Yes, we envied the Navy guys as the AD1 had a much more powerful (and = reliable) engine than the Air Force B-66. I remember seeing many EB-66s = sitting on the ramp with one or more engines missing. Wasn't this later = called the A3D? As I recall the Navy guys said it stood for "All 3 = Dead" - the SkyWarrior normally had a crew of 3. We used to joke about having two engines was good. Two to go out on = and one to come home on. =20 I lost a friend due to those lousy engines. As was not uncommon, he = was returning on one engine at night, attempted to make a go around and = the other engine blew - no time for anyone to get out. Aways sad to = lose a friend, but particularly due to faulty equipment. Ed From: Lehanover@aol.com=20 Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2012 7:12 AM To: Rotary motors in aircraft=20 Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Ed Anderson's old "ride", off topic The aircraft was actually developed for the Navy as the AD1 Sky = Warrior. Then later mods for the Air Force as the RB66. I watched many = launch and recover from the USS Forrestal. Look here: http://www.vectorsite.net/avskywar.html Lynn E. Hanover AO3 USS Forrestal In a message dated 3/17/2012 7:00:12 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, = eanderson@carolina.rr.com writes: Actually, Bill, being the EW, I flew to the right and back of the = pilot in=20 the E model - so that was the seat cushion that needed replacing = {:>). The interesting thing is that when the crap hits the fan, your = training=20 kicks in and you are so busy twisting knobs, making radio calls, = listening=20 to the radar and missile guidance signals to tell what mode they are = in=20 ....etc, that you really don't have time to get scared. Its not = until you=20 get back and down that the reaction kicks in. I guess in my case, = at least,=20 it was the old - it won't be me they get. I mean how could you = really go=20 back out day after day unless you believed that. But, after returning from that long 11 hour mission (several air=20 refuelings), I got debriefed, got a bite to eat and hit the Officers = club=20 bar around 1100PM. Had a few drinks, went to the bungalo - slept 45 = minutes, woke up wide awake and couldn't go back to sleep for 48 = hours. Its=20 when things get quite that the reflection takes ahold and you relive = the=20 incident - with enough time to get scared. Actually, I have been more scare flying my rotary powered aircraft - = because=20 in a 12 mile guild for example, you've got plenty of time to think = {:>) Ed --=20 Kelly Troyer Dyke Delta_"Eventually" 13B_RD1C_EC2_EM2 ------=_NextPart_000_0010_01CD04F9.92180D30 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
In fact, my first ever flight in an EB-66 was in = Southeast=20 Asia.  We EWs only got to "fly" in a simulator at Shaw AFB, SC = before=20 deploying to SEA.   On that first "orientation" flight - we = did come=20 back on one engine, so the while the airframe was quite good (and strong = - could=20 do a split S in this twin engine bomber), the engines sucked - but, not = all the=20 time {:>)
 
Thanks for the link to the history of the = aircraft,=20 Kelly
 
Ed

Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2012 10:56 AM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Ed Anderson's old "ride", off=20 topic

Ed,
 
 Were you trying to say that the Allison J71 did not give = you=20 a warm fuzzy feeling of = confdence??......................<:)
 
http://www.vectorsite= .net/avskywar.html#m6
 
 
Kelly Troyer
 
 
 
On Sun, Mar 18, 2012 at 7:50 AM, Ed Anderson = <eanderson@carolina.rr.com&g= t;=20 wrote:
Yes, we envied the Navy guys as the AD1 had a much more powerful = (and=20 reliable) engine than the Air Force B-66.  I remember seeing many = EB-66s=20 sitting on the ramp with one or more engines missing.  Wasn't = this later=20 called the A3D?  As I recall the Navy guys said it stood for "All = 3 Dead"=20 - the SkyWarrior normally had a crew of 3.
 
We used to joke about having two engines was good.  Two to = go out on=20 and one to come home on. 
I lost a friend due to those lousy engines.  As was not = uncommon, he=20 was returning on one engine at night, attempted to make a go around = and the=20 other engine blew - no time for anyone to get out.  Aways sad to = lose a=20 friend, but particularly due to faulty equipment.
 
Ed

From: Lehanover@aol.com
Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2012 7:12 AM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Ed Anderson's old "ride", off=20 topic

The aircraft was actually developed for the Navy as the AD1 Sky = Warrior.=20 Then later mods for the Air Force as the RB66. I watched many launch = and=20 recover from the USS Forrestal.
 
 
Lynn E. Hanover
AO3 USS Forrestal
 
In a message dated 3/17/2012 7:00:12 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, = eanderson@carolina.rr.com writes:
Actually, Bill, being the EW,  I flew to the right = and back=20 of the pilot in
the E model - so that was the seat cushion that = needed=20 replacing {:>).

The interesting thing is that when the = crap hits=20 the fan,  your training
kicks in and you are so busy = twisting=20 knobs, making radio calls, listening
to the radar and missile = guidance=20 signals to tell what mode they are in
....etc, that you really = don't=20 have time to get scared.  Its not until you
get back and = down that=20 the reaction kicks in.  I guess in my case, at least,
it = was the=20 old - it won't be me they get.  I mean how could you really go =
back=20 out day after day unless you believed that.

But, after = returning from=20 that long 11 hour mission (several air
refuelings), I got = debriefed, got=20 a bite to eat and hit the Officers club
bar around 1100PM.  = Had a=20 few drinks, went to the bungalo - slept 45
minutes, woke up wide = awake=20 and couldn't go back to sleep for 48 hours.  Its
when = things get=20 quite that the reflection takes ahold and you relive the =
incident - with=20 enough time to get scared.

Actually, I have been more scare = flying my=20 rotary powered aircraft - because
in a 12 mile guild for = example, you've=20 got plenty of time to think=20 = {:>)

Ed



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