X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from mail-iy0-f180.google.com ([209.85.210.180] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.4.4) with ESMTPS id 5446741 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Sun, 18 Mar 2012 10:57:29 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=209.85.210.180; envelope-from=keltro@gmail.com Received: by iage36 with SMTP id e36so9414347iag.25 for ; Sun, 18 Mar 2012 07:56:52 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=tXLdA0MsSOeHaaoNwxRNZbeccKR9hIEUrLejUjNvU4w=; b=kNG6ZmxcrVB2nZWdsQNZHTBbJy1UuezSmP2MJ1xSrbL2kRKyHAefd+FFb/56JEPGe3 XoaPon6rOgcrZCu7iNsesjhB4lulE6cM+NY3kv6Utt5YQ9xJ35sCoGtPz4RxoJBR7LW6 0EeRuSzSIFTrHGzz6CG1EMaXBWyNvlNkxwgV2GC0oML6F9PNnfH+H+4K69GPZiFfIS4/ UOfvZlOkcLbQA6JzfNEv6gDDkqYRMnFVHh7rwpM8XIS0h48tLPeGvx7vzz1IUNud3ybS tVTo2iT75/bRWWNV9KtQj9uhnbCPY1avbtWO3UIP9x4EldBfBLZmf+GiIZJdZJuzw4MK 0lDw== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.60.6.164 with SMTP id c4mr11093214oea.43.1332082612570; Sun, 18 Mar 2012 07:56:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.60.165.67 with HTTP; Sun, 18 Mar 2012 07:56:52 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2012 09:56:52 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: Ed Anderson's old "ride", off topic From: Kelly Troyer To: Rotary motors in aircraft Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=e89a8f83ab7def0bd404bb85a69f --e89a8f83ab7def0bd404bb85a69f Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Ed, Were you trying to say that the Allison J71 did not give you a warm fuzzy feeling of confdence??......................<:) http://www.vectorsite.net/avskywar.html#m6 Kelly Troyer On Sun, Mar 18, 2012 at 7:50 AM, Ed Anderson wrote: > ** > Yes, we envied the Navy guys as the AD1 had a much more powerful (and > reliable) engine than the Air Force B-66. I remember seeing many EB-66s > sitting on the ramp with one or more engines missing. Wasn't this later > called the A3D? As I recall the Navy guys said it stood for "All 3 Dead" - > the SkyWarrior normally had a crew of 3. > > We used to joke about having two engines was good. Two to go out on and > one to come home on. > I lost a friend due to those lousy engines. As was not uncommon, he was > returning on one engine at night, attempted to make a go around and the > other engine blew - no time for anyone to get out. Aways sad to lose a > friend, but particularly due to faulty equipment. > > Ed > > *From:* Lehanover@aol.com > *Sent:* Sunday, March 18, 2012 7:12 AM > *To:* Rotary motors in aircraft > *Subject:* [FlyRotary] Re: Ed Anderson's old "ride", off topic > > The aircraft was actually developed for the Navy as the AD1 Sky Warrior. > Then later mods for the Air Force as the RB66. I watched many launch and > recover from the USS Forrestal. > > Look here: http://www.vectorsite.net/avskywar.html > > Lynn E. Hanover > AO3 USS Forrestal > > In a message dated 3/17/2012 7:00:12 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > eanderson@carolina.rr.com writes: > > Actually, Bill, being the EW, I flew to the right and back of the pilot > in > the E model - so that was the seat cushion that needed replacing {:>). > > The interesting thing is that when the crap hits the fan, your training > kicks in and you are so busy twisting knobs, making radio calls, listening > to the radar and missile guidance signals to tell what mode they are in > ....etc, that you really don't have time to get scared. Its not until you > get back and down that the reaction kicks in. I guess in my case, at > least, > it was the old - it won't be me they get. I mean how could you really go > back out day after day unless you believed that. > > But, after returning from that long 11 hour mission (several air > refuelings), I got debriefed, got a bite to eat and hit the Officers club > bar around 1100PM. Had a few drinks, went to the bungalo - slept 45 > minutes, woke up wide awake and couldn't go back to sleep for 48 hours. > Its > when things get quite that the reflection takes ahold and you relive the > incident - with enough time to get scared. > > Actually, I have been more scare flying my rotary powered aircraft - > because > in a 12 mile guild for example, you've got plenty of time to think {:>) > > Ed > > -- Kelly Troyer Dyke Delta_"Eventually" 13B_RD1C_EC2_EM2 --e89a8f83ab7def0bd404bb85a69f Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Ed,
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=A0Were you trying to say=A0that the Allison J71 did not give you a=A0= warm fuzzy feeling of confdence??......................<:)
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Kelly Troyer
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On Sun, Mar 18, 2012 at 7:50 AM, Ed Anderson <eanderson@c= arolina.rr.com> wrote:
Yes, we envied the Navy guys as the AD1 had a much more powerful (and = reliable) engine than the Air Force B-66.=A0 I remember seeing many EB-66s = sitting on the ramp with one or more engines missing.=A0 Wasn't this la= ter called the A3D?=A0 As I recall the Navy guys said it stood for "Al= l 3 Dead" - the SkyWarrior normally had a crew of 3.
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We used to joke about having two engines was good.=A0 Two to go out on= and one to come home on.=A0
I lost a friend due to those lousy engines.=A0 As was not uncommon, he= was returning on one engine at night, attempted to make a go around and th= e other engine blew - no time for anyone to get out.=A0 Aways sad to lose a= friend, but particularly due to faulty equipment.
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Ed

Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2012 7:12 AM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Ed Anderson's old "ride"= , off topic

The aircraft was actually developed for the Navy as the AD1 Sky Warrio= r. Then later mods for the Air Force as the RB66. I watched many launch and= recover from the USS Forrestal.
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Lynn E. Hanover
AO3 USS Forrestal
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In a message dated 3/17/2012 7:00:12 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, eanderson@carolin= a.rr.com writes:
Actually, Bill, being the EW,=A0 I flew to the right = and back of the pilot in
the E model - so that was the seat cushion that needed replacing {:>).
The interesting thing is that when the crap hits the fan,=A0 your tra= ining
kicks in and you are so busy twisting knobs, making radio calls, = listening
to the radar and missile guidance signals to tell what mode they are in ....etc, that you really don't have time to get scared.=A0 Its not unt= il you
get back and down that the reaction kicks in.=A0 I guess in my c= ase, at least,
it was the old - it won't be me they get.=A0 I mean how could you reall= y go
back out day after day unless you believed that.

But, after= returning from that long 11 hour mission (several air
refuelings), I g= ot debriefed, got a bite to eat and hit the Officers club
bar around 1100PM.=A0 Had a few drinks, went to the bungalo - slept 45
= minutes, woke up wide awake and couldn't go back to sleep for 48 hours.= =A0 Its
when things get quite that the reflection takes ahold and you r= elive the
incident - with enough time to get scared.

Actually, I have been mor= e scare flying my rotary powered aircraft - because
in a 12 mile guild = for example, you've got plenty of time to think {:>)

Ed

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Kelly Troyer
Dyke Delta_"Eventually= "
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