X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com ([75.180.132.120] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.4.4) with ESMTP id 5446709 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Sun, 18 Mar 2012 08:51:33 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=75.180.132.120; envelope-from=eanderson@carolina.rr.com Return-Path: X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.0 cv=TvJkdUrh c=1 sm=0 a=g3L/TDsr+eNLfIieSKfGkw==:17 a=AHkS0RJitIMA:10 a=N0vV3tUH_AkA:10 a=3oc9M9_CAAAA:8 a=zC8CddeAAAAA:8 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=I-tUx8fhVknYy8JkHH4A:9 a=UkJ1cpwhzxv2IjEMaOIA:7 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=SdAiOhu5P1oA:10 a=U8Ie8EnqySEA:10 a=Ia-xEzejAAAA:8 a=p4kPEPJzKWeZJaxKdpoA:9 a=8AgM_oIcjxluwTpfKFwA:7 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 a=EzXvWhQp4_cA:10 a=g3L/TDsr+eNLfIieSKfGkw==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-Originating-IP: 174.110.170.10 Received: from [174.110.170.10] ([174.110.170.10:61532] helo=EdPC) by cdptpa-oedge01.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id 89/0F-17039-13AD56F4; Sun, 18 Mar 2012 12:50:57 +0000 Message-ID: <331722FB716F499ABD4730ED1D242CEC@EdPC> From: "Ed Anderson" To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" References: In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: Ed Anderson's old "ride", off topic Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2012 08:50:43 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0030_01CD04E4.33F19F60" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8117.416 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8117.416 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0030_01CD04E4.33F19F60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Yes, we envied the Navy guys as the AD1 had a much more powerful (and = reliable) engine than the Air Force B-66. I remember seeing many EB-66s = sitting on the ramp with one or more engines missing. Wasn't this later = called the A3D? As I recall the Navy guys said it stood for "All 3 = Dead" - the SkyWarrior normally had a crew of 3. We used to joke about having two engines was good. Two to go out on and = one to come home on. =20 I lost a friend due to those lousy engines. As was not uncommon, he was = returning on one engine at night, attempted to make a go around and the = other engine blew - no time for anyone to get out. Aways sad to lose a = friend, but particularly due to faulty equipment. Ed From: Lehanover@aol.com=20 Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2012 7:12 AM To: Rotary motors in aircraft=20 Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Ed Anderson's old "ride", off topic The aircraft was actually developed for the Navy as the AD1 Sky Warrior. = Then later mods for the Air Force as the RB66. I watched many launch and = recover from the USS Forrestal. Look here: http://www.vectorsite.net/avskywar.html Lynn E. Hanover AO3 USS Forrestal In a message dated 3/17/2012 7:00:12 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, = eanderson@carolina.rr.com writes: Actually, Bill, being the EW, I flew to the right and back of the = pilot in=20 the E model - so that was the seat cushion that needed replacing {:>). The interesting thing is that when the crap hits the fan, your = training=20 kicks in and you are so busy twisting knobs, making radio calls, = listening=20 to the radar and missile guidance signals to tell what mode they are = in=20 ....etc, that you really don't have time to get scared. Its not until = you=20 get back and down that the reaction kicks in. I guess in my case, at = least,=20 it was the old - it won't be me they get. I mean how could you really = go=20 back out day after day unless you believed that. But, after returning from that long 11 hour mission (several air=20 refuelings), I got debriefed, got a bite to eat and hit the Officers = club=20 bar around 1100PM. Had a few drinks, went to the bungalo - slept 45=20 minutes, woke up wide awake and couldn't go back to sleep for 48 = hours. Its=20 when things get quite that the reflection takes ahold and you relive = the=20 incident - with enough time to get scared. Actually, I have been more scare flying my rotary powered aircraft - = because=20 in a 12 mile guild for example, you've got plenty of time to think = {:>) Ed ------=_NextPart_000_0030_01CD04E4.33F19F60 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Yes, we envied the Navy guys as the AD1 had a much more powerful = (and=20 reliable) engine than the Air Force B-66.  I remember seeing many = EB-66s=20 sitting on the ramp with one or more engines missing.  Wasn't this = later=20 called the A3D?  As I recall the Navy guys said it stood for "All 3 = Dead" -=20 the SkyWarrior normally had a crew of 3.
 
We used to joke about having two engines was good.  Two to go = out on=20 and one to come home on. 
I lost a friend due to those lousy engines.  As was not = uncommon, he=20 was returning on one engine at night, attempted to make a go around and = the=20 other engine blew - no time for anyone to get out.  Aways sad to = lose a=20 friend, but particularly due to faulty equipment.
 
Ed

From: Lehanover@aol.com
Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2012 7:12 AM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Ed Anderson's old "ride", off=20 topic

The aircraft was actually developed for the Navy as the AD1 Sky = Warrior.=20 Then later mods for the Air Force as the RB66. I watched many launch and = recover=20 from the USS Forrestal.
 
Look here: http://www.vectorsite.ne= t/avskywar.html
 
Lynn E. Hanover
AO3 USS Forrestal
 
In a message dated 3/17/2012 7:00:12 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, eanderson@carolina.rr.com=20 writes:
Actually, Bill, being the EW,  I flew to the right = and back of=20 the pilot in
the E model - so that was the seat cushion that = needed=20 replacing {:>).

The interesting thing is that when the crap = hits the=20 fan,  your training
kicks in and you are so busy twisting = knobs,=20 making radio calls, listening
to the radar and missile guidance = signals to=20 tell what mode they are in
....etc, that you really don't have = time to get=20 scared.  Its not until you
get back and down that the = reaction kicks=20 in.  I guess in my case, at least,
it was the old - it won't = be me=20 they get.  I mean how could you really go
back out day after = day=20 unless you believed that.

But, after returning from that long = 11 hour=20 mission (several air
refuelings), I got debriefed, got a bite to = eat and=20 hit the Officers club
bar around 1100PM.  Had a few drinks, = went to=20 the bungalo - slept 45
minutes, woke up wide awake and couldn't go = back to=20 sleep for 48 hours.  Its
when things get quite that the = reflection=20 takes ahold and you relive the
incident - with enough time to get=20 scared.

Actually, I have been more scare flying my rotary = powered=20 aircraft - because
in a 12 mile guild for example, you've got = plenty of=20 time to think=20 {:>)

Ed

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