X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from [64.129.170.194] (HELO VIRCOM1.fcdata.private) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.4.4) with ESMTP id 5434092 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Thu, 08 Mar 2012 15:52:48 -0500 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=64.129.170.194; envelope-from=cbarber@texasattorney.net Received: from FCD-MAIL05.FCDATA.PRIVATE (unverified [172.16.5.24]) by VIRCOM1.fcdata.private (Vircom SMTPRS 5.1.1024.13396) with ESMTP id for ; Thu, 8 Mar 2012 14:51:14 -0600 X-Modus-BlackList: 172.16.5.24=OK;cbarber@texasattorney.net=OK X-Modus-RBL: 172.16.5.24=Excluded X-Modus-Trusted: 172.16.5.24=NO X-Modus-Audit: FALSE;0;0;0 Received: from FCD-MAIL06.FCDATA.PRIVATE ([fe80::697f:d6aa:b87:78d8]) by FCD-MAIL05.FCDATA.PRIVATE ([fe80::809d:a06e:5913:452e%13]) with mapi id 14.01.0355.002; Thu, 8 Mar 2012 14:51:40 -0600 From: Chris Barber To: Rotary motors in aircraft Subject: RE: [FlyRotary] Re: Engine cooling Thread-Topic: [FlyRotary] Re: Engine cooling Thread-Index: AQHM/Wt68uPt8QXsTkGeigmF31SJJ5Zg3t4a Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2012 20:51:37 +0000 Message-ID: <2D41F9BF3B5F9842B164AF93214F3D30F0544063@FCD-MAIL06.FCDATA.PRIVATE> References: In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [69.148.239.2] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 A data point, in his book "How to cool your Wankle" (great title....regardl= ess of what you think of Paul), Paul recommends not using the thermostat an= d relying on cowl flaps instead. I guess reducing air flow to the rad would= be similar. Chris ________________________________________ From: Rotary motors in aircraft [flyrotary@lancaironline.net] on behalf of = Ernest Christley [echristley@att.net] Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2012 2:38 PM To: Rotary motors in aircraft Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Engine cooling Chris Barber wrote: > > Just some data points for discussion. PLEASE if you know some stuff that > is rotary specific, or just wrong, CHIME IN!! > > > > Chris > > Houston > > > > Cooling Guidelines for V8 Engines in Aircraft > by Bud Warren and Phyllis Ridings > > After much thought, Bud decided to install a thermostat in the LS1 > engine of the Ravin 500 to do some test flying. During cold weather the > resulting engine temps have remained stable at 190=B0F at cruise, and > near 200=B0F during climb out; just about what we see during the warm > months of the year. This has corrected the check engine light coming on > due to the engine remaining in warm up mode. This approach makes me nervous. It doesn't hit us much here in the souther= n US, but things get colder as we move north. When it is freezing on the ground, it's very easy to get REALLY cold temps= at altitude. If it is 0*F on the ground, then the rule of thumb says that it will be -40* at altitude. The problem described is that the engine isn't able to produce enough heat = to warm the water with the amount of -40*F air that is rushing through. The prescription given is to force the water = to stay in the engine longer. This necessarily means that the water will stay in the radiator longer. Now the = thermostat opens even less, because what it pulls from the radiator is ice water. At some point, the water gets really= hard in the radiator and stops flowing altogether. The there is no flow from the engine to melt it. The engine w= ater keep recirculating and it eventually overheats. The Mack truck I bought in the late 80's had a shutter arrangement in front= that would close when it got to cold and block airflow through the radiator. I think a thin aluminum panel, possibl= y controlled by a push-pull cable from the cockpit, that slid in to partially block the radiator would be a much safer= solution. It would also alleviate the concern over broken thermostats. The panel would require minimal support, = as it could simply lay flat against the radiator face. -- Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ Archive and UnSub: http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/flyrotary/List.= html=