X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from mx2.netapp.com ([216.240.18.37] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.4.4) with ESMTPS id 5434083 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Thu, 08 Mar 2012 15:39:16 -0500 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=216.240.18.37; envelope-from=echristley@att.net X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.73,553,1325491200"; d="scan'208";a="631880286" Received: from smtp2.corp.netapp.com ([10.57.159.114]) by mx2-out.netapp.com with ESMTP; 08 Mar 2012 12:38:09 -0800 Received: from [10.62.16.167] (ernestc-laptop.hq.netapp.com [10.62.16.167]) by smtp2.corp.netapp.com (8.13.1/8.13.1/NTAP-1.6) with ESMTP id q28Kc8I9013188 for ; Thu, 8 Mar 2012 12:38:09 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4F5918AE.1010300@att.net> Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2012 15:38:06 -0500 From: Ernest Christley Reply-To: echristley@att.net User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (X11/20100623) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Rotary motors in aircraft Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Engine cooling References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Chris Barber wrote: > > Just some data points for discussion. PLEASE if you know some stuff tha= t > is rotary specific, or just wrong, CHIME IN!! >=20 > =20 >=20 > Chris >=20 > Houston >=20 > =20 >=20 > Cooling Guidelines for V8 Engines in Aircraft > by Bud Warren and Phyllis Ridings >=20 > After much thought, Bud decided to install a thermostat in the LS1 > engine of the Ravin 500 to do some test flying. During cold weather the= > resulting engine temps have remained stable at 190=B0F at cruise, and > near 200=B0F during climb out; just about what we see during the warm > months of the year. This has corrected the check engine light coming on= > due to the engine remaining in warm up mode.=20 This approach makes me nervous. It doesn't hit us much here in the south= ern US, but things get colder as we move north. When it is freezing on the ground, it's very easy to get REALLY cold tem= ps at altitude. If it is 0*F on the ground, then the rule of thumb says that it will be -40* at altitude. The problem described is that the engine isn't able to produce enough hea= t to warm the water with the amount of -40*F air that is rushing through. The prescription given is to force the wate= r to stay in the engine longer. This necessarily means that the water will stay in the radiator longer. Now th= e thermostat opens even less, because what it pulls from the radiator is ice water. At some point, the water gets real= ly hard in the radiator and stops flowing altogether. The there is no flow from the engine to melt it. The engine= water keep recirculating and it eventually overheats. The Mack truck I bought in the late 80's had a shutter arrangement in fro= nt that would close when it got to cold and block airflow through the radiator. I think a thin aluminum panel, possi= bly controlled by a push-pull cable from the cockpit, that slid in to partially block the radiator would be a much saf= er solution. It would also alleviate the concern over broken thermostats. The panel would require minimal support= , as it could simply lay flat against the radiator face.