X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from nm23.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com ([98.138.90.86] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.4.4) with SMTP id 5432921 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Wed, 07 Mar 2012 21:27:01 -0500 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=98.138.90.86; envelope-from=echristley@att.net Received: from [98.138.226.179] by nm23.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Mar 2012 02:26:27 -0000 Received: from [209.191.108.97] by tm14.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Mar 2012 02:26:27 -0000 Received: from [66.94.237.121] by t4.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Mar 2012 02:26:27 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1026.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Mar 2012 02:26:27 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 124606.17251.bm@omp1026.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 89992 invoked from network); 8 Mar 2012 02:26:27 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=att.net; s=s1024; t=1331173587; bh=Re4PSiodw6XKKSwSaRsDKqlISowcj2oSLg+lizaJN6w=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:User-Agent:MIME-Version:To:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=Q2mY5WAGF7GmquulYnlyMMw9VeaA09XJMNSqvwBuL29gInW/xaJOvx7/vw7xBiHPjQPpfiLaiGcWpBP6j6xZ9g3ZvoOSuhwJHh3ZuUNw9ramqAOSt7l8s3XguMcY2sHJmpVz54GmvdWcy7QmgSbEyVwp98RNTHWnehnwKnEq+LM= X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: i6b5AC0VM1n39mRNic7Dzg2tIkHet4i6TGf5KsLGnXE2uMa yKVDey0FL20.TNhAK_ETnOFtX8ASKkq0za7_5_WHiNcHchXtUVye2vezMcEB OZ_zlurEzE6Jqpj.h9J8b6QxGVIToFy.oair1aJ2yih4NzJXWi1aOI7oSF.k p3H4y5EEIwjHw2mPpHN1mz_EWVZS64Sncr5gCCUBHyrYYcPCJIgyoqD6veaF PENeL00OaDKN__ddenrCtfVuGlgASYzWxZhsdcuB8sHQ4nneer0Na3VtMHCY _GqdxWrHzjwqq8c2Wh9ShKFqK27za6DDme3ETyQFKvwfwjeTRt8V_lXNRamV GtHJXIzTpA9KQefpDiDgWosKd9zc9LhgzBiB1nD15CSKJBLDOOrr9kAka6i8 UrQ-- X-Yahoo-SMTP: 40RP3pGswBDvPav1a.I8eMv.KS8bdgWBnCloVoKaow-- Received: from [192.168.1.2] (echristley@65.190.51.71 with plain) by smtp110.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 07 Mar 2012 18:26:26 -0800 PST Message-ID: <4F5818D1.4070707@att.net> Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2012 21:26:25 -0500 From: Ernest Christley Reply-To: echristley@att.net User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux x86_64; en-US; rv:1.9.2.23) Gecko/20110921 Lightning/1.0b2 Thunderbird/3.1.15 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Rotary motors in aircraft Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Turbo charger setup References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On 03/07/2012 06:51 PM, Patrick wrote: > I'm planning to use a turbo on a 20B, primarily as a muffler, but > would like to set it for 3-5 psi boost. > A lot of current techniques are based on street car experience, which > are not always directly applicable to airplanes, ie. no need for rapid > throttle response (usually) and run at high % power continuously. > > I'm thinking of a setup modeling refrigeration techniques: > > * Run all exhaust through turbo, no waste-gate, larger A/R > * Compress higher than needed, which makes air very hot > * Run through intercooler, which is more efficient with higher temp > delta > * Allow to expand using larger pipe and blow-off valve to regulate > pressure before intake > > The result "should be" cooler intake air at a slight boost. > > What am I missing? > The energy cost of compressing all that air and then throwing it away? Though, like Tracy has said, pressurized air is hard to get on an airplane. It wouldn't be so bad if you could use it for something. The two things that spring to my mind are: 1) engine cooling: blow it through a radiator. The drawback is that you'll want more boost on climbout, and that is when you'd want the extra air through the radiator. 2) exhaust cooling/thrust: push the extra cool air into/around the exhaust. As I understand it, rotary mufflers die quickly because of a combination of heat and sonic pounding. Cooling it will reduce both, and if there might be a slight amount of thrust available if everything is set up just right.