Mailing List flyrotary@lancaironline.net Message #57484
From: Bill Schertz <wschertz@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: Throttle Back Bobble
Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2012 10:08:37 -0600
To: Rotary motors in aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
It also might be a couple of bad addresses in the area that can’t be tuned while not in flight. If the throttle change is rapid, the EC2 may change to a manifold pressure in the high rpm table that is not yet been adjusted.
 
Bill Schertz
KIS Cruiser #4045
N343BS
Phase one testing Completed
 
Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2012 8:50 AM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Throttle Back Bobble
 
Ok, 3" would not likely be causing this problem. 
 
It may not be a restrictive manifold pressure sensing line - but, if its easy enough to take the restrictive plug out of the line, I would give that a try.
 
Some folks put a restriction in to damp or smooth out the manifold pressure pulses - but, if too restrictive can delay the EC2 response to  manifold pressure changes.
 
Ed
 
Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2012 8:37 AM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Throttle Back Bobble
 
Ed,
 
I have the Mistral intake. I do think we put a restrictive plug in the pressure line. Not sure why we decided on this as it was, IIRC, recommended by a buddy that was formerly very involved in the project. I will check tonight if I make it out to the hangar.
 
I am not sure what the diameter, however, I think the turbo duct to it is three inches.
 
Thanks.
 
Chris.

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On Feb 21, 2012, at 10:54 AM, "Ed Anderson" <eanderson@carolina.rr.com> wrote:

What size throttle body do you use (diameter or type), Chris?
 
 
What I would speculate (and this is all it is)  is that when you throttle down suddenly - the engine manifold pressure drops rapidly - IF your manifold pressure sensing hoses to the EC2 are too small or there is too much damping of the manifold pressure signal for other reasons, then your engine could be down operating at lower manifold pressure while your fuel injector is still calculating fuel for the higher manifold pressure it is still seeing.  So your engine could be running overly rich for a period of time.
 
Throttling down slowly gives the manifold pressure read by the EC2 to adjust to the engine manifold pressure as it is slowly reduced and you avoid the mismatch due to manifold pressure differences.
 
There could also be some mismatch between your fuel map and operational needs.  But, again these are just guesses based on the limited amount of data.
 
The easiest way I know to check the manifold pressure sensing possibility is to try putting on larger manifold hoses running to the EC2/3 or removing any damping cans or such..
 
Ed
 
 
Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2012 10:53 AM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Throttle Back Bobble
 

When I throttle back on my otherwise smooth running 13b turbo, I tend to get a bobble (miss?) as the engine spins down.  I don't seem to have it if I throttle back very slowly and smoothly, but fast moderate (usual manner) or quick throttle back produces it.  I have noticed this on Lycoming's if throttled back quickly, but obviously not an issue that I have noted in a regular car engine. 

 

Just curious if others have had this occur and if so why.

 

The list has been especially quite lately so come on folks, here your chance to shine before I start calling DAR's ;-)

 

Chris

Houston

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