X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from imr-db02.mx.aol.com ([205.188.91.96] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.4.3) with ESMTP id 5372033 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Tue, 31 Jan 2012 17:18:32 -0500 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=205.188.91.96; envelope-from=bktrub@aol.com Received: from mtaomg-ma03.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-ma03.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.10]) by imr-db02.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q0VMHf6t029034 for ; Tue, 31 Jan 2012 17:17:41 -0500 Received: from core-duc004b.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-duc004.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.164.141]) by mtaomg-ma03.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id C8440E00008F for ; Tue, 31 Jan 2012 17:17:40 -0500 (EST) References: To: flyrotary@lancaironline.net Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: Fuel hose In-Reply-To: X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 From: bktrub@aol.com X-MB-Message-Type: User Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--------MB_8CEAE7D47EF44CE_A3C_78749_webmail-m037.sysops.aol.com" X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 35412-STANDARD Received: from 69.84.254.253 by webmail-m037.sysops.aol.com (64.12.101.220) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Tue, 31 Jan 2012 17:17:40 -0500 Message-Id: <8CEAE7D47B3C1D8-A3C-2055D@webmail-m037.sysops.aol.com> X-Originating-IP: [69.84.254.253] Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2012 17:17:40 -0500 (EST) x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5400.1158/78148 X-AOL-VSS-CODE: clean DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=mx.aol.com; s=20110426; t=1328048261; bh=IL8hd9u4uGN2UwD54YItv0uDfmCO7Knu44wcJtNU1dg=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=thOFHx7YP2Bs28ZPSI1TtDrD34nUjSC5I0KtWAISZWBa0AGNY48Q4830ctNA72Zck WlZgnompqF75X+pM2+XR3JRbsxapebj768FyIm47l/XGQovGg8L+b6ZcTd/qw7sl36 cy60KmhtlzbHSLgju+NYPr7D0cmEG8/Se95vLqxE= X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:497432864:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d290a4f28688413d7 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ----------MB_8CEAE7D47EF44CE_A3C_78749_webmail-m037.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Well,=20 call me backwards for not using the expensive high- zoot stainless braided = fuel hose, I use the 350 PSI fuel hose from NAPA. It seems to work in all m= y vehicles with no fires to date and it's alcohol compatable. It just doesn= 't look high tech- but it works just fine.=20 Brian Trubee -----Original Message----- From: Bobby J. Hughes To: Rotary motors in aircraft Sent: Tue, Jan 31, 2012 11:30 am Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Fuel hose Finn, =20 Thanks for posting this information. Apparently my Aeroquip hose may also b= e affected by ethanol. Searching the automotive newsgroups turned up severa= l post discussing recent fuel hose failures. Several people also reported s= melling fuel with newly installed hoses but were unable to locate any leaks= . I have that problem with my RV10. No leaks but a fuel smell builds up ins= ide the cabin after the plane sits for a few days. Teflon lined =E2=80=9Cc= onductive core=E2=80=9D fuel hose will apparently eliminate the fuel vapor = issue and provide a much longer service life. Not sure if fittings are avai= lable for field assembly without special tools.=20 =20 Bobby Hughes =20 =20 =20 From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On Beh= alf Of Finn Lassen Sent: Monday, January 30, 2012 6:58 PM To: Rotary motors in aircraft Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Fuel hose =20 I got an answer back from ANPlumbing. If any of you are using Earl's Perfor= m-O-Flex Hose, beware: its lifespan with ethanol is about 3-5 years the only hose that is permenent is 600006 but it will not work with those e= nd use 600136 ends On 1/28/2012 4:43 PM, website@web3.anplumbing.com wrote:=20 Name: Finn Lassen Email: finn.lassen@verizon.net Phone:=20 =20 400060 Hose purchased by Russel Duffy in 2003 (Invoice 335040) is now leaking. It'= s used for EFI fuel hose (about 40 psi max). Regular gas (up to 10% Ethanol= ). Have you had any other reports of this happening?=20 What is the expected lifetime for these hoses? Can you recommend another type of hose that will work with the same Earl's = fittings (presumably 800106) and can handle Regular gas? On 1/28/2012 7:26 PM, Finn Lassen wrote:=20 After finally getting my annual condition inspection done and signed off, I= was ready to go fly for the first time in three months.=20 Oh so I thought.=20 After attempting to getting the engine started and trying to keep it runnin= g, I smelled gas. Getting out of the cockpit I saw a puddle of gas under th= e cowling with more dripping out.=20 Removing the cowling and turning on the fuel pump I saw streams of fuel spo= uting out the middle of the beautiful stainless steel flex covered fuel lin= e hose.=20 Going through invoices that came with the RV-3B made by Russel, I found an = invoice from 2003 from ANPlumbing for various sizes of hose and Earl's fitt= ings. I assume the AN6 hoses came out of the 15 feet he ordered of part num= ber 400060:=20 http://www.anplumbing.com/search/index?search_text=3D400040&yt0.x=3D15&yt0.= y=3D20=20 Looking up Perform-O-Flex Hose, I found this reassuring note:=20 "Installation Notes=20 Fuel manufacturers may have added any number of new unpublished additives t= o their blends. It is therefore difficult to know how the tube compound use= d in the inner liner of our Perform=E2=80=93O=E2=80=93Flex or any other bra= nd of elastomeric hose will react with a specific fuel. Because of the unkn= owns described above, we are unable to guarantee that the hose listed is th= e best possible product to use with any specific fuel. If in doubt use tefl= on lined hose. Not to be used with brake fluid."=20 http://www.holley.com/406006ERL.asp=20 Looks like my hoses may be yet another casualty of the ethanol fiasco.=20 If any of you have done research into this, and can recommend hoses that ar= e designed to be used with Earl's Auto-Fit hose ends, please do let me know= .=20 Finn=20 --=20 Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/=20 Archive and UnSub: http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/flyrotary/List.= html=20 =20 ----------MB_8CEAE7D47EF44CE_A3C_78749_webmail-m037.sysops.aol.com Content-Type: multipart/related; boundary="--------MB_8CEAE7D47EF44CE_A3C_7874A_webmail-m037.sysops.aol.com" ----------MB_8CEAE7D47EF44CE_A3C_7874A_webmail-m037.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8"
Well,
call me backwards for not using the expensive high- zoot stainles= s braided fuel hose, I use the 350 PSI fuel hose from NAPA. It seems to wor= k in all my vehicles with no fires to date and it's alcohol compatable. It = just doesn't look high tech- but it works just fine.
 
Brian Trubee


= -----Original Message-----
From: Bobby J. Hughes <bhughes@qnsi.net>
To: Rotary motors in aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Sent: Tue, Jan 31, 2012 11:30 am
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Fuel hose

Finn,=
 = ;
Thank= s for posting this information. Apparently my Aeroquip hose may also be aff= ected by ethanol. Searching the automotive newsgroups turned up several pos= t discussing recent fuel hose failures. Several people also reported smelli= ng fuel with newly installed hoses but were unable to locate any leaks. I h= ave that problem with my RV10. No leaks but a fuel smell builds up inside t= he cabin after the plane sits for a few days.  Teflon lined =E2=80=9Cc= onductive core=E2=80=9D fuel hose will apparently eliminate the fuel vapor = issue and provide a much longer service life. Not sure if fittings are avai= lable for field assembly without special tools.
 = ;
Bobby= Hughes
 = ;
 = ;
 = ;
Fr= om: Rotary motors= in aircraft [mailto:flyrot= ary@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Finn Lassen
Sent: Monday, January 30, 2012 6:58 PM
To: Rotary motors in aircraft
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Fuel hose
 
I got an answer back from ANPlumbing. If any of you = are using Earl's Perform-O-Flex Hose, beware:

its lifespan with ethanol is about 3-5 years

the only hose that is permenent is 600006 but it will not work with those e= nd

use 600136 ends

3DAnPlumbing.Com

On 1/28/2012 4:43 PM, websit= e@web3.anplumbing.com wrote: 
Name: Finn Lassen
Email: finn.lassen@verizon.net
Phone: 
 
400060
Hose purchased by Russel Duffy in 2003 (Invoice 3350=
40) is now leaking. It's used for EFI fuel hose (about 40 psi max). Regular=
 gas (up to 10% Ethanol).
Have you had any other reports of this =
happening? 
What is the expected lifetime for these hoses?
<=
PRE>Can you recommend another type of hose that will work with the same Ear=
l's fittings (presumably 800106) and can handle Regular gas?




On 1/28/2012 7:26 PM, Finn Lassen wrote:
After finally getting = my annual condition inspection done and signed off, I was ready to go fly f= or the first time in three months.

Oh so I thought.

After attempting to getting the engine started and trying to keep it runnin= g, I smelled gas. Getting out of the cockpit I saw a puddle of gas under th= e cowling with more dripping out.

Removing the cowling and turning on the fuel pump I saw streams of fuel spo= uting out the middle of the beautiful stainless steel flex covered fuel lin= e hose.

Going through invoices that came with the RV-3B made by Russel, I found an = invoice from 2003 from ANPlumbing for various sizes of hose and Earl's fitt= ings. I assume the AN6 hoses came out of the 15 feet he ordered of part num= ber 400060:
http://www.anplumbing.com/search= /index?search_text=3D400040&yt0.x=3D15&yt0.y=3D20

Looking up Perform-O-Flex Hose, I found this reassuring note:
"Installation Notes
Fuel manufacturers may have added any number of new unpublished additives t= o their blends. It is therefore difficult to know how the tube compound use= d in the inner liner of our Perform=E2=80=93O=E2=80=93Flex or any other bra= nd of elastomeric hose will react with a specific fuel. Because of the unkn= owns described above, we are unable to guarantee that the hose listed is th= e best possible product to use with any specific fuel. If in doubt use tefl= on lined hose. Not to be used with brake fluid."
http://www.= holley.com/406006ERL.asp

Looks like my hoses may be yet another casualty of the ethanol fiasco.

If any of you have done research into this, and can recommend hoses that ar= e designed to be used with Earl's Auto-Fit hose ends, please do let me know= .

Finn






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