X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from nm22.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com ([98.139.91.92] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.4.3) with SMTP id 5364037 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Wed, 25 Jan 2012 10:12:45 -0500 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=98.139.91.92; envelope-from=roundrocktom@yahoo.com Received: from [98.139.91.61] by nm22.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Jan 2012 15:12:09 -0000 Received: from [98.139.91.29] by tm1.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Jan 2012 15:11:09 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1029.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Jan 2012 15:11:09 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 294566.47654.bm@omp1029.mail.sp2.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 56710 invoked by uid 60001); 25 Jan 2012 15:11:08 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1327504268; bh=Fr/1DvLjZp+YLFltpzfBv8FpTLnEH099hBHmDiIThOQ=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=jFYOdkpHMf+YwD3EVm9svt5Qw3FS+B+yDe+kJbwujfGEksPOVWS+XjC5+dGMcKXgKtrKtnjKfm2GDx3TsZBdjo2Wfb7xFJV7zSKB7ukQPfFddh6M31bK2HgRwDlvZRcK70ekiDD6S3EO66sNgU4ZTDRn2y8RBJmPR1RcGYW2DDM= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=krK5W7NTine7uFKYpvydGwJgO1nNMhLrN8kCBzKq0wZ1cWJlnxpcRoo5TDTdvAJppybotHGHfIRysEG96ZMlnZRHNJjuJGDmRlo/u9OdeNFDU2uRn1Bla7MM+6dzbHBoYWr5+cm6L70NIY4qr1Y9Zdjtv3Rqnaii+ljVeaxbuns=; X-YMail-OSG: .CwNLnAVM1l_W13mNYD_EftGvXEj8EA119GrTkcr1IHPIzq ObYh8HSeZufcwSqmQKuWGBzc21R_rvRhMr8EP.yeUVuy2.F_yMFrFqjQfUfE ACOM6R8QzN3QOS_L8L7u98Byladjs6_RrTsB90DDz3ZMn.ULeMgH_PuRn.6u T0vQL7OnqOs_cud72G9wIYF4GtxzZMuDdRZEWuMCwbWAS1MDzx4fpd9.J.g0 Ii5NvQ8hs7.J2ZtOtiyWNrd8WAsQpdOea_GPGDJjnspFWbqzdrtCJ7do75uT pfktTNbF5hi_oW7Xdrz0M52N6nVI.xCfuYZufkR4pejuaZxOw94OZwb7J6BS NSx9HszWNg0y0224Upy5y9rv_RFkvljW73KC0ESYVt.w69WrdZV94furFMLe VepURRnkpiwRqYzn1Q6TQp9rMOEGs.KXCYiRs.Gs8r9xwHfNSrRPHFx5Sql9 Fhe.SJQ-- Received: from [72.182.13.58] by web111516.mail.gq1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 25 Jan 2012 07:11:08 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.116.331537 References: Message-ID: <1327504268.56317.YahooMailNeo@web111516.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2012 07:11:08 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Walter Reply-To: Tom Walter Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: Top 7 reasons for using an auto conversion To: Rotary motors in aircraft In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="959122739-2009273195-1327504268=:56317" --959122739-2009273195-1327504268=:56317 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Great story.=0A=0AOne of the more enjoyable of my customer visits was Digik= ey. I was up visiting them in February, not too many suppliers show up at t= hat time of year! =0A=0A=0AThe conveyor and shipping system is incredible. = From the time you click "order complete" 14 minutes later that box is packa= ged and ready to ship.=C2=A0 UPS and FEDEX have full time shipping desk wit= hin the building.=0A=0ATrivia... with computers and mainframes, they supply= all the heat for the building in the winter months.=0A=0ATom=0A=0A=0A=0A__= ______________________________=0A From: Jeff Whaley = =0ATo: Rotary motors in aircraft =0ASent: Wed= nesday, January 25, 2012 7:43 AM=0ASubject: [FlyRotary] Re: Top 7 reasons f= or using an auto conversion=0A =0A=0A =0AHere=E2=80=99s a great story in li= ne with more expensive doesn=E2=80=99t always mean better =E2=80=A6 you hav= e to appreciate this simplicity.=0AJeff=0A=C2=A0=0AA toothpaste factory had= a problem: they sometimes shipped empty boxes, without the tube inside. Th= is was due to the way the production line was set up, and people with exper= ience in designing production lines will tell you how difficult it is to ha= ve everything happen with timings so precise that every single unit coming = out of it is perfect 100% of the time. =0A=0AUnderstanding how important th= at was, the CEO of the toothpaste factory got the top people in the company= together and they decided to start a new project, in which they would hire= an external engineering company to solve their empty boxes problem.=0A=0AS= ix months (and $8 million) later they had a fantastic solution - on time an= d on budget. They solved the problem by using high-tech precision scales th= at would sound a bell and flash lights whenever a toothpaste box would weig= h less than it should. The line=0A would stop, and someone had to walk over= and yank the defective box out of it, pressing another button when done to= re-start the line.=0A=0AA while later, the CEO decides to have a look at t= he project. No empty boxes ever shipped out of the factory after the scales= were put in place...very few customer complaints, and they were gaining ma= rket share. "That's some money well spent!" he says, before=0A looking clos= ely at the other statistics in the report.=0A=0AIt turns out the number of = defects picked up by the scales was 0 after three weeks of production use. = It should've been picking up at least a dozen a day, so maybe there was som= ething wrong with the report. After some investigation, the engineers come = back=0A saying the report was actually correct. The scales really weren't p= icking up any defects, because all boxes that got to that point in the conv= eyor belt were good.=0A=0APuzzled, the CEO travels down to the factory, and= walks up to the part of the line where the precision scales were installed= . A few feet before the scale, there was a $20 desk fan, blowing the empty = boxes out of the belt and into a bin.=0A=0A"Oh, that," says one of the work= ers - "one of the guys put it there 'cause he was tired of walking over eve= ry time the bell rang."=0A=C2=A0=0A=C2=A0=0AFrom:Jeff Whaley =0ASent: Monda= y, January 23, 2012 11:09 AM=0ATo: 'Rotary motors in aircraft'=0ASubject: R= E: Top 7 reasons for using an auto conversion=0A=C2=A0=0AI agree with Items= 2-6 Pat and don=E2=80=99t think there needs to be any more reasons. Items = 2-4 are by far the main reasons why I chose =C2=A0an auto conversion; Item = 6 is a nice side benefit for the Rotary but not the reason why I chose the = rotary. I chose the rotary because of its relative simplicity, power-to-wei= ght-ratio, the fact that at the time of installation there was an active bu= ilders group such as this one and that someone (Tracy crook) had already ma= de flight-proven components readily available.=0AItem #1: Cost to install a= t 50% may be true but for most people getting to 25% is nearly impossible.= =0AJeff=0A=C2=A0=0AFrom: Patrick Panzera =0ASu= bject: Top 7 reasons for using an auto conversion =0ADate: Sun, 22 Jan 2012= 14:51:08 -0800 =0ATo: CorvAIRCRAFT@yahoogroups.com, Corvair engines for ho= mebuilt aircraft , Rotary motors in aircraft =0A=0A =0AHere's what I wrote. =0AI was asked to= keep the comments short: =0A=C2=A0=0ATop Seven Reasons to Consider an Auto= mobile Conversion=0A=C2=A0=0A1.=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Cost to install.When comp= ared to the cost of a new aircraft engine, a fully installed and properly f= unctioning automobile engine can run 25% to 50% of its certified counterpar= t when compared new-to-new. =0A2.=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Cost to rebuild.When re= building an auto conversion, it can typically be brought to zero-time with = all new parts for what a used yellow-tagged aircraft crankshaft costs, that= =E2=80=99s if your core is serviceable. =0A3.=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Cost to ope= rate.Most auto conversions can be operated on automobile fuel, cutting the = per-gallon cost nearly in half. Modern auto conversions have tight toleranc= es eliminating the need to add oil between changes. =0A4.=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= Cost to maintain.Aircraft spark plugs range from $26 to $60 each. Automobi= le plugs are one tenth of that and typically require half as many. The same= can be said for=C2=A0virtually=C2=A0every maintenance item. =0A5.=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0 Convenience.=C2=A0Nearly every part you might need to repair or m= aintain your auto conversion can be purchased from any number of suppliers = in your home town, even on Sunday, or are a short drive from what ever airp= ort you might have landed at. =0A6.=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Smoothness.Virtually = every auto conversion is noticeably smoother than its aviation counterpart,= reducing fatigue on components and occupants. =0A7.=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Beca= use you can.Why are we building an airplane in the first place? If all you = are after is the performance offered by homebuilt aircraft, why not just bu= y one second hand? Most of us build because we want to build. There=E2=80= =99s a great amount of satisfaction that stems from standing back and sayin= g, =E2=80=9CI built that.=E2=80=9D The same applies for an automobile engin= e conversion, especially if it=E2=80=99s never been done before. =0AAnd rem= ember, there are a lot of experimental aircraft that were designed (and pro= ven) from the beginning to use an auto conversion, so many of the points fo= r a certified engine=C2=A0aren't=C2=A0relevant, and many of the reasons aga= inst an auto conversion also apply to those who would consider installing a= n aircraft=C2=A0powerplant=C2=A0where an auto conversion is specified.=C2= =A0 =0A=C2=A0=0AThis message, and the documents attached hereto, is intende= d only for the addressee and may contain privileged or confidential informa= tion. Any unauthorized disclosure is strictly prohibited. If you have recei= ved this message in error, please notify us immediately so that we may corr= ect our internal records. Please then delete the original message. Thank yo= u. --959122739-2009273195-1327504268=:56317 Content-Type: multipart/related; boundary="959122739-894536713-1327504268=:56317" --959122739-894536713-1327504268=:56317 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Great story.
One of the more enj= oyable of my customer visits was Digikey. I was up visiting them in Februar= y, not too many suppliers show up at that time of year!
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The conveyor and shipping system is incredible. From the time you= click "order complete" 14 minutes later that box is packaged and ready to = ship.  UPS and FEDEX have full time shipping desk within the building.=

Trivia... with computers and mainframes, they supp= ly all the heat for the building in the winter months.
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Tom

From: Jeff Whaley <jwhaley@da= tacast.com>
To: Rot= ary motors in aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2012 7:4= 3 AM
Subject: [FlyRota= ry] Re: Top 7 reasons for using an auto conversion

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Her= e=E2=80=99s a great story in line with more expensive doesn=E2=80=99t alway= s mean better =E2=80=A6 you have to appreciate this simplicity.=0A
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A toothpaste fac= tory had a problem: they sometimes shipped empty boxes, without the tube in= side. This was due to the way the production line was set=0A up, and people= with experience in designing production lines will tell you how difficult = it is to have everything happen with timings so precise that every single u= nit coming out of it is perfect 100% of the time.=0A
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=0AUnderstan= ding how important that was, the CEO of the toothpaste factory got the top = people in the company together and they decided to start a new project, in = which they would hire an external engineering company to solve their empty = boxes problem.
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=0ASix months (and $8 million) later they had a fa= ntastic solution - on time and on budget. They solved the problem by using = high-tech precision scales that would sound a bell and flash lights wheneve= r a toothpaste box would weigh less than it should. The line=0A would stop,= and someone had to walk over and yank the defective box out of it, pressin= g another button when done to re-start the line.
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=0AA while later= , the CEO decides to have a look at the project. No empty boxes ever shippe= d out of the factory after the scales were put in place...very few customer= complaints, and they were gaining market share. "That's some money well sp= ent!" he says, before=0A looking closely at the other statistics in the rep= ort.
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=0AIt turns out the number of defects picked up by the scale= s was 0 after three weeks of production use. It should've been picking up a= t least a dozen a day, so maybe there was something wrong with the report. = After some investigation, the engineers come back=0A saying the report was = actually correct. The scales really weren't picking up any defects, because= all boxes that got to that point in the conveyor belt were good.
=0A=0APuzzled, the CEO travels down to the factory, and walks up to the part = of the line where the precision scales were installed. A few feet before th= e scale, there was a $20 desk fan, blowing the empty boxes out of the belt = and into a bin.
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=0A"Oh, that," says one of the workers - "one of = the guys put it there 'cause he was tired of walking over every time the be= ll rang."
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From: Jeff Whaley=0A
=0ASent: Monday, January 23, 2012 = 11:09 AM
=0ATo: 'Rotary motors in aircraft'
=0ASubject:= RE: Top 7 reasons for using an auto conversion
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I agree with Items = 2-6 Pat and don=E2=80=99t think there needs to be any more reasons. Items 2= -4 are by far the main reasons why I chose  an auto conversion; Item 6= is a nice side benefit for the Rotary but not the=0A reason why I chose th= e rotary. I chose the rotary because of its relative simplicity, power-to-w= eight-ratio, the fact that at the time of installation there was an active = builders group such as this one and that someone (Tracy crook) had already = made flight-proven=0A components readily available.
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Item #1: Co= st to install at 50% may be true but for most people getting to 25% is near= ly impossible.
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=0A<= div class=3D"yiv1162861957MsoNormal">From:= =0A=0A<= div class=3D"yiv1162861957MsoNormal">Patri= ck Panzera <editor@contactmagazine.com>=0A
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1.   =0ACost to install. When com= pared to the cost of a new aircraft engine, a fully installed and=0A proper= ly functioning automobile engine can run 25% to 50% of its certified counte= rpart when compared new-to-new.=0A
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<= span style=3D"">2.   =0A<= /span>Cost to rebuild. When rebuilding an auto conversion, it c= an typically be brought to zero-time=0A with all new parts for what a used = yellow-tagged aircraft crankshaft costs, that=E2=80=99s if your core is ser= viceable.=0A
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3.   =0ACost to operate. Most auto conversions can be operated on automobile fuel, cutt= ing the per-gallon=0A cost nearly in half. Modern auto conversions have tig= ht tolerances eliminating the need to add oil between changes.=0A=0A
4.   =0ACost to maintain. Aircraft= spark plugs range from $26 to $60 each. Automobile plugs are one=0A tenth = of that and typically require half as many. The same can be said for v= irtually every maintenance item.=0A
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5.   =0AConvenience.<= /b> Nearly every part you might need = to repair or maintain your auto conversion can=0A be purchased from any num= ber of suppliers in your home town, even on Sunday, or are a short drive fr= om what ever airport you might have landed at.=0A
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6.  &n= bsp;=0ASmoothness.= Virtually every auto conversio= n is noticeably smoother than its aviation counterpart,=0A reducing fatigue= on components and occupants.
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7.   =0ABecause you can. Why are we building an airplane in the first= place? If all you are after=0A is the performance offered by homebuilt air= craft, why not just buy one second hand? Most of us build because we want t= o build. There=E2=80=99s a great amount of satisfaction that stems from sta= nding back and saying, =E2=80=9CI built that.=E2=80=9D The same applies for= an automobile=0A engine conversion, especially if it=E2=80=99s never been = done before.
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And remember, there are a lot of exper= imental aircraft that were designed (and proven) from the beginning to use = an auto conversion, so many of the points=0Afor a certified engine&n= bsp;aren't relevant, and many of the reasons against an auto conversio= n also apply to those who would consider installing an aircraft powerp= lant where an auto conversion is specified. 
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