X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from mx2.netapp.com ([216.240.18.37] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.4.3) with ESMTPS id 5361447 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Mon, 23 Jan 2012 14:25:56 -0500 Received-SPF: softfail receiver=logan.com; client-ip=216.240.18.37; envelope-from=echristley@nc.rr.com X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.71,557,1320652800"; d="scan'208";a="619189463" Received: from smtp2.corp.netapp.com ([10.57.159.114]) by mx2-out.netapp.com with ESMTP; 23 Jan 2012 11:25:04 -0800 Received: from [10.62.16.167] (ernestc-laptop.hq.netapp.com [10.62.16.167]) by smtp2.corp.netapp.com (8.13.1/8.13.1/NTAP-1.6) with ESMTP id q0NJP34I017153 for ; Mon, 23 Jan 2012 11:25:04 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4F1DB376.4070504@nc.rr.com> Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2012 14:22:30 -0500 From: Ernest Christley Reply-To: echristley@nc.rr.com User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (X11/20100623) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Rotary motors in aircraft Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: Top 7 reasons for using an auto conversion References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Patrick wrote: > If it's more reliable and cheaper, double bonus. If it's just cheaper, > I start getting scared. > > Imagine the conversation with your spouse if the airplane suddenly > becomes a glider: "But Honey, I saved a bunch of money by switching to > cheap parts...." > Can't see that ending well. Try that same conversation after you just robbed the 401K to spend $18K on a certified engine without any of the accessories. I don't see it ending any better by using the defense that you paid to much for crap parts. 8*) > > John Slade's descriptive narration of the failures of several turbos > that he used _because_ they were cheap is an excellent example. In the > end, the correct part was more reliable and ultimately cheaper than > the cost of buying three "cheap" turbos and the resulting engine > overhaul. That's what we call "getting an education". John paid dearly so that we can all be smarter. He did the hard work. Now that the education is complete, we know the lower limit of acceptibility for a rotary aircraft turbo. There was all sorts of turbo maps flying around that resulted in the requirements parameters getting nailed down pretty well. John could have started with the cheap parts, and kept spending more until he got to a reliable solution. Or he could have spent the $20K that some companies want for a certified turbo, and possibly still kept spending more until he got to a reliable solution. I believe the final solution is STILL a fraction of the cost of a certified turbo. Looking for a cheaper solution doesn't necessarily mean being stupid. I've looked for the least expensive/lightest weight solution whenever I could, but I never gave serious thought to using that really cheap epoxy resin that the hardware store has on the shelf. It is not up to the task requirements, and no amount of hand waving will make it so. But I did come down from MGS's expensive 285 system, and used cheap ol' West systems for the micro fill-and-sand.