X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from nm8.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com ([98.139.91.78] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.4.3) with SMTP id 5361372 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Mon, 23 Jan 2012 13:26:59 -0500 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=98.139.91.78; envelope-from=dwayneparkinson@yahoo.com Received: from [98.139.91.61] by nm8.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jan 2012 18:26:22 -0000 Received: from [98.139.91.43] by tm1.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jan 2012 18:26:22 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1043.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jan 2012 18:26:22 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 774908.8724.bm@omp1043.mail.sp2.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 22960 invoked by uid 60001); 23 Jan 2012 18:26:22 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1327343182; bh=2yYGrAqhxaktqKoCVpY1gntJ/GM5W5mfcgHVLioTXU0=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=FKSPobJT/w5pq02C5kgjSXTV7xOi5GPqrczL9y0ovxJ9xpD3LfZd4f9ydWL+e+yw0lQz/YdKlUx5OneLPXskZXX11A+bGrg2XKZa+QKEsuRllm+pvi3725G6ID+77oBo6XfORVK3ZN43U+3fiCcUnGxBZtIB2UGzUwdC9x+wm98= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=rasmUm+eSljjKSRf+CVU/O47oOc5X8lEoI2TMbV24uksWst0X8o4pdKnVaIY20vBw1aiJ95F9okbP8OxfrNtqMheDS8M+T36EgyJt82J4C135ojMa/qsR8FRQ1Wzy0dSbXM3eZBBnqtrN36JKHooG9wxbgnr4fEPVPrmESv9mEI=; X-YMail-OSG: QpfyimcVM1lU9uhw5ACP9uC4C7pz8R_YwDTTnzo_fRCVOvY jzDWCAU7XEIdupWu7WxtKe8wwgFtJXsrrhXau0Jj3QdY7WP9_.GTKCOh0Spp Q7fPrSHdMzmOFeZ6SbbCbPOfGMik3OaA6RjUHXeCoZsTYcPRX8DEppYdHXgq ELzT7wR3e7PxcsIfsgbVTtEdU14aWd5VW9SjQ2wCKgvAhXF_uBcyGyEWdezD hAOpD6gBZqL2jEgPvKoNO77WDlX3Koi.3PKEZEmcOSQVlM7TwG6WKPT.OUu. mRZvIyX7iBBeQDy8UMPqSaF3nNitQLQy.fmyGrqhsqFsNwrU_KHLkYdLKvxK DU.KXHL9N_Gu57oa6EKKyTaXxegLgB2vYnb8.YzZAw0yiRWeJOGMNXFCSIjc ZCXWmkZbO7o.CG8hEEUykXJ39nxJ5x2qC.Kg1.WG9RLRVlXe3Zm.N.q8gp4m XDTA4dnEcfO6Y3VzMiqIrt.zhC9pWLX9dvBt3VKoELwhW4_OZVv0- Received: from [69.130.239.44] by web46408.mail.sp1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 23 Jan 2012 10:26:22 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.115.331698 References: Message-ID: <1327343182.11250.YahooMailNeo@web46408.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2012 10:26:22 -0800 (PST) From: Dwayne Parkinson Reply-To: Dwayne Parkinson Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Top 7 reasons for using an auto conversion To: Rotary motors in aircraft In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="570511379-891519656-1327343182=:11250" --570511379-891519656-1327343182=:11250 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I'll add my seven since I haven't seen them yet.=0A=0A1) HEAT - =A0Yes you = can actually have cabin heat in the winter if you have a water cooled auto = engine vs. an air cooled airplane engine.=0A=0A2) PRE-HEATING SUCKS - =A0No= matter what series of electronic or fire breathing contraptions you have, = pre-heating an engine in the winter is a huge pain PLUS if you actually go = somewhere you can't stay long enough to let the engine get cold because you= can't realistically pack your Tanis pre-heater and 20 gallon LP tank so yo= u can pre-heat again the next day when you fly back. =A0Of course you can a= lways drain the oil, take it inside with you and then pour it back in the e= ngine the next day... yeah sure.=0A=0A3) EXPANDED FLYING SEASON - When the = temperature drops below 10 degrees it becomes simply cruel to fly an air co= oled engine. =A0When you come in for landing there's no way to avoid some l= evel of shock cooling on those front cylinders. =A0Not only do you get grou= nded for crappy cloud covered winter weather, when it's perfectly clear it'= s usually cold too so you can't fly on a clear day and you can't fly on a c= loudy day... you can't fly three months out of the year.=0A=0A4) RELIABILIT= Y / LOWER OPERATING EXPENSE - people cite fuel burn, fuel cost, overhaul co= st and things like that, but that's not what I'm talking about here. =A0You= can buy an airplane engine that has been modified (derated) to use auto-fu= el so that evens the fuel cost playing field and 2000 hours is a lot of fly= ing before you actually hit overhaul. =A0BUT here's the trick, if you brows= e through Barnstorms and notice how many airplanes have had a "recent top o= verhaul" or some other major recent repair to the engine well before the TB= O. =A0You'll be amazed. =A0Not only are parts more expensive, it's FAR more= likely that you'll need them when you fly behind a "good old reliable airp= lane engine." =A0BTW - I've got three cylinders off mine right now getting = new valves... nowhere near TBO. =A0Good old reliable... yeah right.=0A=0A5)= MODERN - While you can get airplane engines with EFI, a modern auto engine= is going to be far superior to an aircraft engine in terms of design. =A0R= emember, there was a time when almost all engines used magnetos... but now = you've got to go to the antique gas engine show at the local fair grounds t= o see them. =A0I don't know how else to say it other than the auto industry= has the engine part of the car figured out and the airplane guys don't.=0A= =0A6) MAINTENANCE - I believe that if I build the engine from scratch I'll = be much more capable of performing maintenance, including maintenance in th= e field should the need arise. =A0If my memory is correct, most engine fail= ures in auto conversions according to EAA studies are due to fuel flow, coo= ling and then ignition so using standard auto parts in those areas increase= s the maintainability of my engine if something goes wrong while I'm huntin= g in some little town in South Dakota. =A0They'll have an auto parts store,= but they won't have an FBO with a mechanic.=0A=0A7) SIMPLICITY/PILOT WORKL= OAD - Most accidents are due to "pilot error." =A0Studies show that on aver= age people can handle seven things at once before they start making signifi= cant mistakes. =A0Let's say you're flying in pure IFR, unknown territory, n= ew airport, high winds, other traffic, ice starting to build up, you gotta = pee, your kid is crying, your wife is praying that you don't die, etc, etc.= .. do you really want to screw with carb heat and leaning out the engine co= rrectly too? =A0I want an engine that's smart enough to know when it needs = more air or more gas. =A0I want an engine that doesn't have the potential t= o have ice build up in the carb. =A0=0A=0A7) HISTORY - I've had nothing but= bad luck with airplane engines. =A0Every single annual I cringe and then t= here's this horrible sucking sound that comes from my wallet. =A0So that's = my history but when I talk to long time pilots there's a high number who ha= ve experienced engine failures. =A0Now I'm not talking about guys who racke= d up hours as a CFI, I'm talking about guys who have been flying behind a s= ingle engine piston plane for recreation for a long time. =A0A surprising n= umber of them have stories that involve engine failure. =A0Valves getting c= hewed up and things like that.=A0=0A=0AHappy Flying=A0=0A=0A=0A____________= ____________________=0A From: Patrick Panzera =0ATo: Rotary motors in aircraft =0ASent= : Sunday, January 22, 2012 1:18 PM=0ASubject: [FlyRotary] Top 7 reasons for= using an auto conversion=0A =0AFriends,=0A=0AI've recently been asked what= are the top 7 reasons for using an auto=0Aconversion.=0AI answered with mi= ne, but I'd like to hear (read) yours.=0A=0AThanks!=0A=0APat=0A=0A--=0AHome= page:=A0 http://www.flyrotary.com/=0AArchive and UnSub:=A0 http://mail.lan= caironline.net:81/lists/flyrotary/List.html --570511379-891519656-1327343182=:11250 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I'll add my seven sin= ce I haven't seen them yet.

1)= HEAT -  Yes you can actually have cabin heat in the winter if you hav= e a water cooled auto engine vs. an air cooled airplane engine.
<= br>
2) PRE-HEATING SUCKS -  No matter what series of electro= nic or fire breathing contraptions you have, pre-heating an engine in the w= inter is a huge pain PLUS if you actually go somewhere you can't stay long = enough to let the engine get cold because you can't realistically pack your= Tanis pre-heater and 20 gallon LP tank so you can pre-heat again the next = day when you fly back.  Of course you can always drain the oil, take i= t inside with you and then pour it back in the engine the next day... yeah = sure.

3) EXPANDED FLYING SEASON - When the temperature drops below 10 degrees it becomes simply cruel to fly an air c= ooled engine.  When you come in for landing there's no way to avoid so= me level of shock cooling on those front cylinders.  Not only do you g= et grounded for crappy cloud covered winter weather, when it's perfectly cl= ear it's usually cold too so you can't fly on a clear day and you can't fly= on a cloudy day... you can't fly three months out of the year.
<= br>
4) RELIABILITY / LOWER OPERATING EXPENSE - people cite fuel b= urn, fuel cost, overhaul cost and things like that, but that's not what I'm= talking about here.  You can buy an airplane engine that has been mod= ified (derated) to use auto-fuel so that evens the fuel cost playing field = and 2000 hours is a lot of flying before you actually hit overhaul.  B= UT here's the trick, if you browse through Barnstorms and notice how many a= irplanes have had a "recent top overhaul" or some other major recent repair to the engine well before the TBO.  You'll be amazed.  No= t only are parts more expensive, it's FAR more likely that you'll need them= when you fly behind a "good old reliable airplane engine."  BTW - I'v= e got three cylinders off mine right now getting new valves... nowhere near= TBO.  Good old reliable... yeah right.

5) MO= DERN - While you can get airplane engines with EFI, a modern auto engine is= going to be far superior to an aircraft engine in terms of design.  R= emember, there was a time when almost all engines used magnetos... but now = you've got to go to the antique gas engine show at the local fair grounds t= o see them.  I don't know how else to say it other than the auto indus= try has the engine part of the car figured out and the airplane guys don't.=

6) MAINTENANCE - I believe that if I build the en= gine from scratch I'll be much more capable of performing maintenance, including maintenance in the field should the need arise. &nb= sp;If my memory is correct, most engine failures in auto conversions accord= ing to EAA studies are due to fuel flow, cooling and then ignition so using= standard auto parts in those areas increases the maintainability of my eng= ine if something goes wrong while I'm hunting in some little town in South = Dakota.  They'll have an auto parts store, but they won't have an FBO = with a mechanic.

7) SIMPLICITY/PILOT WORKLOAD - Mo= st accidents are due to "pilot error."  Studies show that on average p= eople can handle seven things at once before they start making significant = mistakes.  Let's say you're flying in pure IFR, unknown territory, new= airport, high winds, other traffic, ice starting to build up, you gotta pe= e, your kid is crying, your wife is praying that you don't die, etc, etc...= do you really want to screw with carb heat and leaning out the engine correctly too?  I want an engine that's smart enough to know w= hen it needs more air or more gas.  I want an engine that doesn't have= the potential to have ice build up in the carb.  

7) HISTORY - I've had nothing but bad luck with airplane engines. &nb= sp;Every single annual I cringe and then there's this horrible sucking soun= d that comes from my wallet.  So that's my history but when I talk to = long time pilots there's a high number who have experienced engine failures= .  Now I'm not talking about guys who racked up hours as a CFI, I'm ta= lking about guys who have been flying behind a single engine piston plane f= or recreation for a long time.  A surprising number of them have stori= es that involve engine failure.  Valves getting chewed up and things l= ike that. 

Happy Flying 

<= /div>

From:= Patrick Panzera <editor.contactmagazine@gmail.com>
To: Rotary motors in aircraft <f= lyrotary@lancaironline.net>
S= ent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 1:18 PM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Top 7 reasons for using an = auto conversion

=0AFriends,

I've recently bee= n asked what are the top 7 reasons for using an auto
conversion.
I an= swered with mine, but I'd like to hear (read) yours.

Thanks!

= Pat

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